Apple Halloween Event, Managing Subscription Costs, Rock Paper Pencil, and FineWoven is…Fine?

Jeff Battersby: 0:00

It's sweet temptation, sweet sweet.

Tom Anderson: 0:12

Hello and welcome in. It's another episode of Basic AFO podcast that's mostly about tech. I'm Tom Anderson, joined as usual by my co-host, jeff Battersby. Jeff, how are you, sir? I'm well.

Jeff Battersby: 0:24

I am very well. This is a gorgeous fall day in New York today.

Tom Anderson: 0:29

Same in Virginia today. It's been splendid all week. A little late summer Feels like mid-September, no humidity, but the temperatures have been sweet.

Jeff Battersby: 0:38

Oh my gosh, it's been. I've been sitting on my front porch writing every single day.

Tom Anderson: 0:44

Nice yeah.

Jeff Battersby: 0:46

Okay.

Tom Anderson: 0:46

All right, well, welcome in to everyone.

Jeff Battersby: 0:48

Welcome back. No, just we're going to a 30-minute episode today.

Tom Anderson: 0:51

We're going to try and compact these things out of respect for your time. Let me up quick and we're going to try switching the format up just a little bit. So let us know what you think about this one. As always, if you have a question, hit us up for you back at basicafshowcom. Also, be sure to follow us, subscribe, whatever the terminology is in your favorite podcast app. So, without further ado, let's jump into this one. We had a couple of announcements this week from Apple. Jeff Yep, we did, and so, as we record this, it is October 28th. Show will come out on October 30th in the afternoon. So, depending on when you listen, it may be before or after the event that Apple announced for this Monday, october 30th. Interesting time slot for this one 8 pm Eastern time, 5 pm Pacific. Do the math if you're in Europe, I think it's one in the morning or something like that.

Tom Anderson: 1:49

So good luck. So, given the tagline for this one, scary fast. This looks to be a Mac update from everything that I've read and kind of makes sense.

Jeff Battersby: 2:01

Yeah, people guessing on. Is this some guesses both sides of an M3 iMac or an updated M2 iMac. Who knows, maybe a, I don't know. You think they'll throw Macbook air in there.

Tom Anderson: 2:15

I doubt it. Bloomberg had a post article yesterday I think it was Mark German and it looks like 14-16 inch MacBook Pros will get updated, imac will get updated and then after that it didn't seem to be much Makes sense for maybe the weird time I think they're kind of leaning into the holiday of Halloween coming up. Maybe they'll play off of that if Tim Cook comes out and like a Dracula outfit.

Jeff Battersby: 2:41

It's worth watching just for that.

Tom Anderson: 2:44

And there might be something to that.

Jeff Battersby: 2:46

But yeah, I guess it's time for me to go back to the Heggenburger in and out burger.

Tom Anderson: 2:52

Right, it's time for you to get refreshed.

Jeff Battersby: 2:55

That time has come. I am headed back to the Bay Area on the 10th of November.

Tom Anderson: 2:59

So it's possible. Maybe it's right.

Jeff Battersby: 3:01

Maybe a little in and out and get myself a new.

Tom Anderson: 3:04

Macbook Pro. Yeah, that could work. So it does sound like that. It is an interesting time, though eight o'clock Usually 1 pm, eastern time, and 10.

Jeff Battersby: 3:15

So it makes me think maybe they're just having some fun, but it's probably not a huge announcement either no, and well, and the nice thing is and this was brought up you know, no more, these are not live. You know it's not right. People sit around watching this, so they record it and they put it out in prime time on the East Coast. You know this is same time you'd be watching Monday night football.

Tom Anderson: 3:37

That is true. I think it'll probably. Let's see football starts at 8.30. Does?

Jeff Battersby: 3:42

it, I think, off for Monday night, I think Maybe maybe.

Tom Anderson: 3:44

I think this will be done by 8.30.

Jeff Battersby: 3:46

Yeah, yeah.

Tom Anderson: 3:47

We'll just take a guess. Usually they're roughly an hour. I'm going to give this one 30 minutes.

Jeff Battersby: 3:50

Okay, well, trying to, and now see we're trying to keep up with Apple by keeping this podcast at 30 minutes.

Tom Anderson: 3:56

Yes, Well, I think they got inside word from us that that's what we were doing, so they yeah Awesome. Not so good news in terms of announcements Apple's jacked up prices on their services again, which is just great by the way, this is not just Apple doing this.

Jeff Battersby: 4:13

Every single one of these streaming services is screaming another dollar out of your pocket, which raises some questions which we'll get to. But go ahead to the prices, tom.

Tom Anderson: 4:23

Okay, so they have increased prices of Apple TV plus and Apple News Plus by $3. We're going to do US prices. It'll be different with currency stuff depending on where you are listening. But anyway, plus $3 for Apple TV plus and Apple News Plus. So Apple TV plus is now $9.99. Apple News Plus $12.99, which seems like a lot for that. Apple Arcade went up $2 to $6.99, which seems a lot for that. Apple won bundles, which I think you have a bundle right.

Jeff Battersby: 4:58

I do yeah, premier.

Tom Anderson: 5:01

So, of course, in conjunction with seeing their prices go up as well, the individual plan has gone up $3, the family plan up $3. So individual is $19.95. Family plan is $29.95. The premier plan you really get screwed. It's up $5 to $37.95. I'm not a fan of that.

Jeff Battersby: 5:25

started at $29.95, if I recall A few years back.

Tom Anderson: 5:30

Again. No surprise, but do not lose faith, dear friends. The free iCloud storage plan is still five gigs.

Jeff Battersby: 5:38

You know what? Just enough to do nothing with.

Tom Anderson: 5:40

Exactly it might as well be zero.

Jeff Battersby: 5:43

Yeah Well, and what's interesting is I was reading around, actually reading Turing Fireball last week, and he Groober, was. John. Groober was talking about these upgrades and you don't usually hear him get too ugly about this kind of stuff, but he was like he doesn't understand why there isn't a little more storage on the table. And I don't either. I mean I am using, you know I've got the two terabyte plan, so I'm using, you know, a fair amount of that, still not all of it between and I'm the one that uses up most of the space. I have almost completely gone to iCloud Drive for most of my stuff other than the Synology disk station that I have here, and occasionally Dropbox for stuff that I need to do Dropbox for. But I have five gigs Come on.

Jeff Battersby: 6:39

And Apple could afford to give a little more away. It feels I don't know, it feels icky that they don't it does.

Tom Anderson: 6:48

It feels very cheap and I think it was a basic. Apple guy made that chart of the iCloud's free storage tier and it's been five gigs since it was released.

Tom Anderson: 7:01

Yeah well nice a decade or more ago, right, so, which is great. So now might be a good time. If you do have a bundle, then maybe you just picked up because I went out. It's only a couple of dollars more and I get these other things, which is kind of what we did initially. Because I don't really care about fitness plus. I don't use that. I don't use Apple news plus, apple Arcade. I checked out, don't really use that. So I was thinking, as as I talked to you about this weekend messages, that I was Maybe going to jump out of the bundle and move just to music plus and iCloud plus. But it turns out Someone in the household is a big news plus user which you haven't seen. So I'm staying put. But yeah, glad I asked.

Jeff Battersby: 7:50

Little, little little time sleeping somewhere else.

Tom Anderson: 7:53

If you had done it wrong, yeah it's like when I asked she's oh yeah, use it.

Tom Anderson: 7:56

all the time I was like whoa, I had no idea and she listed off six or seven, maybe eight magazine and she thumbs through when she's bored. Okay, wow, all right, so we kept it. But if, if you're considering it, you know it's probably a good time to take a look and maybe say, okay, well, I really only use these two, so I'm going to drop that and save 10 or 12 bucks a month, because that adds up, I mean, it's 120 bucks a year so Because I've trimmed some things out of late.

Tom Anderson: 8:28

We've talked about that a little bit in the show book.

Tom Anderson: 8:30

We've talked about it quite a bit outside of the show, so you know I've gotten rid of some app subscriptions, like I got rid of drafts. I got rid of craft, which I still need to get a bunch stuff out of there. So mark this down in our book. If we had, one of things Tom planned to do but didn't do Is to get my stuff out of craft. So I'll probably get to that December 1st and be like, yeah, I'm not getting that stuff out, I'm just gonna feed them another 40 bucks for the year, which, in comparison to the premiere plan at $38 a month, seems pretty cheap. So so I did that. I got rid of some streaming services for TV shows and things like we got rid of Hulu, we got rid of Disney Plus. I would love to get rid of Netflix, but that's her news plus of streaming services. I'm not gonna touch that one.

Tom Anderson: 9:22

So I've tried to terrain some of these in. I did pick up a new one this week, which we're not gonna get into too much today, but I got the chat GPT plus subscription at 20 bucks a month. Selling your soul to Satan, that's okay, he's saving me time. Saving me time up front is gonna cost me dearly in the end, right right, that's what it always is T-Sweet sweet, sweet. So what about you? Have you trimmed down any subscriptions?

Jeff Battersby: 9:50

Yeah, I have gone through and done a lot of things I, like you, craft got rid of. I think that runs out and I don't have anything substantial in there. I was using we were using it, I should say, mostly for this show, so there's nothing in there that I need to keep that way. I am dropping fantastical, not because I don't like it, but I just don't think I'm getting as much benefit From it. I've started as I think I should be getting from it for the dollars that I'm spending. So I'm jumping back to Apple Calendar, which for me, is working just fine. It has actually gotten to be a much better application in the latest few versions of the OS, so I'm dropping that.

Jeff Battersby: 10:28

I Did get rid of my cable subscription a little bit ago and I'm still kind of fooling around with the what ifs and what Forge for that, so I no longer have an HBO or whatever it is called now. Max Max is no longer in my house, so I don't have that. That was part of my cable subscription. I'm Playing around with a couple of different streaming services. Here's the thing that kind of drives me crazy, and that is that, you know I I watch some sports, not a ton, you know, but like to, I'm watching the the World Series Great game last night by the way, rangers win and a walk off in 11 innings, which was frigging brilliant, also frigging exhausting.

Jeff Battersby: 11:17

Uplilly yeah, it and it. I watch soccer, you know, and in fact you know, pay for a peacock plus or whatever I think that thing's called subscription so I can watch Premier League soccer and and enjoy that again. I don't really sit down and watch those games. I'm doing other stuff in in the office, typically while I'm, while I'm watching, but I like to be able to keep my eye on on the Premier League and do that kind of stuff. I Would love a package that just allowed me to choose this, this, this kind of all a cart, you know, and and have it be all the things that I need it to be.

Jeff Battersby: 11:55

I do not watch any broadcast television, zero other than sports. I am currently trying out YouTube TV, much to my chagrin you know how much I hate to do any of that stuff but have bounced around from a couple of those. It's frustrating. Here's a crazy thing, by the way, and speaking of subscriptions, which I've dropped this subscription as well I got an ESPN subscription thinking that I could watch ESPN, but it's not an ESPN subscription, it's ESPN plus, which does not give you, like you know what you expect it to Game on, sign into your cable provider, what the frig is that about? Like I'm paying you dorks, give me, give me what it is. So I am, I am in the process of doing the same thing that you are in the process of doing. I am, I am Pulling out what it is that I want to spend money on, and I may eventually fall back on the, you know, the Hulu plus stuff which gives you ESPN. With all this stuff on it, how much is that a month.

Jeff Battersby: 13:05

Typically I'd have to go back and check probably 12 14 bucks.

Jeff Battersby: 13:10

Yeah, it's not that expensive really. Yeah, it's, it's, it's pretty okay, it's. I think it's maybe 19 bucks for that. Okay, you know, for all of the because I do. You know, I am like really enjoying Loki on Disney. Really it's a really good one of the few Marvel things that seems okay. There's a lot of crap on there too. It just seems like they're throwing you know content out to have content out there. But all these streaming services could do a much better job of offering some a la carte package. You know that they could easily have access to that. You could easily have access to the stuff that you want. I do not need any of the other 70 channels that YouTube TV offers. I don't Nothing. There's nothing on. Truthfully, there's a lot of content. There's nothing there and what we're Bitching.

Tom Anderson: 14:00

We don't do that here.

Jeff Battersby: 14:02

Never. It's the bitching AF show. If the the other thing that's starting to drive me a little crazy is is all of the content that is like is subscribe to me, subscribe to me, subscribe to me. There are a lot of people that I want to read and I think we mentioned this couple, or I mentioned this couple episodes back.

Jeff Battersby: 14:22

I really, you know, I really miss like the normal magazine newspaper idea. You know you got medium and you've got sub stack and you've got all these other little things and medium is I'm canceling that subscription to. It's Valueless. There used to be pretty decent. It's garbage. Yeah, a lot of people have gone to sub stack but in order to read their stuff you gotta subscribe to a bunch of individual people. So, come on, you know like how many of those I, for the same 40, 50 bucks a month that that I would have gotten with a magazine, like I do subscribe to the Atlantic and Read that on the regular. I get a print subscription. I have accessed all that, but there's a good way to go in old school With the print subscription.

Jeff Battersby: 15:12

Oh, dude, I am. You know I like. Just before I came down here to record with you this morning, I sat and read my New York Times, tom. Well, I can still. I Can smell the newsprint on my fingers. The fish round, I like the start fires and start my grill.

Tom Anderson: 15:30

Well, it's good for you Very artisanal here.

Jeff Battersby: 15:34

So, yeah, anyway, kind of rant over, but I'm I'm a little, I'm a little worn out by all the little, all the little subscriptions.

Tom Anderson: 15:42

Yeah, it's moving to that death by a thousand cuts Kind of thing, and if you're not careful, I mean and again, I don't mind subscriptions necessarily, but there's, there's.

Tom Anderson: 15:55

The thing is there's so many to choose from and it's like, well, I'm not going to spend $300 a month on, you know, 75 different subscriptions.

Tom Anderson: 16:04

So you know, and I think that's part of what I'm doing with this Changes that I've been with, these changes I've been making is not so much I'm getting out of subscriptions, but I do think it's a good idea to Just evaluate and I think you've mentioned that before too Just reevaluate what you have, because sometimes you know an apps a good fit, don't mind paying for it. But then, if you know job roles change or maybe you drop a hobby and you're not really needing it anymore, well, drop it, pick up something that's more applicable to what you need, which is part of what's the big reason I went into the chat GPT plus Subscription this week is we've got a big AI focus at work right now, so I thought I need to spend some time with that and and really get to know it and what it can I can't do, and there's a hundred Plus of those services available, so that's just one of them.

Tom Anderson: 16:53

But so digging into that and I have found some value from that already with some time savings, and so that that's been to me that's worth the 20 bucks. Now, if it gets to the point where I just don't use it anymore or I'm not seeing that value and then I'll drop it too Fantastic, how I think is what? 60 bucks?

Jeff Battersby: 17:10

Yeah, it's getting super expensive and it's nice because you got apps for every put. You know every device that you're you're working on but do yeah, it's, you know it's a calendar.

Tom Anderson: 17:21

Yeah, and the the thing that keeps me in it for now, like if they jack the price up again, like another 20%, like they did last time, I'll probably drop it.

Tom Anderson: 17:29

The calendar sets I use a lot, and so that's where you go in and if you've got you know five calendars Maybe you've got a work calendar or three, like we have at the office, like I've got my calendar. We have a Campus community calendar that shows, you know, it's registration for fall, it's Administrative offices are closed for holiday, those types things. And then we've got a couple in interdepartment that are like you know, here's who's out today. Here's the planning calendars. I probably have 12 to 15 between work and home and so I can set up sets and you can have those be.

Tom Anderson: 18:05

I Think they tie into the focus stuff as well, which I don't really use. That but I do have them set up for time. So like at 8 o'clock it switches to my work view calendar during the week and then at 5 o'clock it automatically switches back to my home calendar. So I don't see you work stuff. Again, I like it a lot. But if they Say go from 60 bucks to 80 bucks, I'll be like I don't like it that much, I'll just get them.

Tom Anderson: 18:29

You know, a cheaper calendar app and keep work stuff in that app and use my personal stuff in a different app.

Jeff Battersby: 18:34

And then the question is can you do the same things that you're doing with fun, fantastically using focuses and and things that which I haven't played with yet? That those are ideas and right. Much like you, you know, I work from home mostly, so I don't have, you know, I I do have a 9 to 5 calendar, but sometimes I don't have a 9 to 5, if that makes any sense right?

Tom Anderson: 18:55

No, it does work in the evening.

Jeff Battersby: 18:57

So it. Those kind of focus changes don't work for me. They're not always reliable in terms of what it is that I'm doing. Sometimes I'm doing some schedules and something and signing them at night.

Tom Anderson: 19:11

Then mine might be yeah.

Jeff Battersby: 19:13

So yeah, we'll see I don't need to spend that. Money is basically what it comes down to, and I'm trying to find ways to do that better. There are apps for that. Now I can't even remember what the name of it is, but there's one that's advertising all the time now, but they see it during football games, right in between the betting and ads.

Jeff Battersby: 19:34

No coincidence, I'm sure yeah right, spend less money on your subscriptions and more money betting on football. Draft Kings yeah, exactly, but there is a I think it's Rocket is what it's called. It used to be it's a part of Rocket Rocket more. Rocket is the name of manager subscriptions, correct, but you're paying the subscription for that no manager subscription. That's wild.

Tom Anderson: 19:57

Yeah.

Jeff Battersby: 19:59

So have a nice day.

Tom Anderson: 20:00

Yeah. So I guess takeaway is those things. I think it's just something that is probably good once a year just to look at, say, do I still need this If you do keep moving forward, if you don't, or something else, or move to nothing, it just keeps going for other things.

Jeff Battersby: 20:16

When it comes to streaming services, the nice thing about those is you can drop one and then if some show comes on, you pop it on. You watch the show that you want to watch and then you drop it again. You know it's a little less. You know, in the old days it was like cancel cable, yeah, you cancel 50 different things. This is a little, from that perspective, you know, a little less onerous when it comes to, you know, figuring out what it is that you want to watch or want to do. But yeah, I don't know. And, by the way, max has gotten a little janky. Anyway, like Apple TV for me, there's a lot of good content on there If you're interested in watching, you know, tv. Apple TV for my money has kind of taken the place of HBO. Hbo is now all sorts of junky other stuff. You know, right, tv shows I don't give a crap about Yep.

Tom Anderson: 21:10

And speaking of your money, of my money, what have you spent some money on recently? You've got some new stuff.

Jeff Battersby: 21:16

Yeah, I did. I picked up and I've played with it some an Astropad screen cover for the iPad, which is a kind of interesting concept. So you get a new tip for the iPad pencil, for the Apple pencil, and it is a screen cover that goes on. That feels a lot more like paper. I you may or may not know this time right With you know, typically pencils or I have a couple of fountain pens that I use that provide a lot of resistance when I write. My handwriting sucks so and it sucks worse with you know, with slippery pencils or pens or things like that that don't work very well and that's a problem for me with the Apple pencil, the Apple pencil you know, against.

Jeff Battersby: 22:05

Glass is slidey, you know it's not, it's not very precise. So my already junky handwriting becomes really, really junky with with the introduction of, you know, glass in that little tip. This actually provides this. This Astropad screen cover provides a it's a magnetic, basically cover that goes on the on the display. So not a pain to remove and put back on again. It's pretty simple as far as that's concerned. Special tip that you put on the pencil and it's got kind of hard to explain, hard to explain it's. It's a slightly more resistant cover. So in other words, it's, it's dabbled a little bit, it's got little dots on it. You know it's more like paper, that's all I would say so that you can write with this, draw with it, do all the other things that you might do with it, and it works quite nicely.

Jeff Battersby: 23:06

For that I spent a while writing notes. I'm working on a project right now where I'm actually keeping a notebook on the work that I'm doing kind of like day to day, and jot down ideas and doing things of that nature. That project may be revealed at some point in time later, but I am taking some time, you know, to write things down in a notebook, essentially keeping a diary, but not exactly that Also ideas and things that go on, and I use a combination of things. I use notes when I'm doing that. So I took some time to write with the, with the Astropad and the Apple Pencil, and it works really well for me. The downside for me is, while it's on it considerably dims the screen, that that the protector itself essentially puts a fog over it. So if I'm going to watch something, which I often do like, if I'm cooking dinner or washing dishes or doing things of that nature, I'll have the iPad up there. You don't want that on while you're watching. You know, whatever it is, that you're watching the football game.

Tom Anderson: 24:20

I think that's the brilliant approach to this one that's quite a bit different, like Paperlike, of course, is very popular One of those covers that you slap on the iPad and gives you that more paper-like.

Jeff Battersby: 24:33

Yeah, semi-opaque though.

Tom Anderson: 24:34

Yeah, it does impact the display quality. Like you get a little rainbowing from the cover itself, the way the light refracts off of that. But I like that. This one's magnetic, so you just drop it on there, you're right. When you're done you can take it off. Yeah, yeah, that's a real that's pretty slick.

Jeff Battersby: 24:53

It is. It's a real benefit, that is a real plus side to it. But you know then, when you take it off, you have to care for it as well right you have to make sure it goes back into, you know, and they provide. It's like a sleeve, it's more like, you know, a peachy folder. That's gonna make me like 5,000 years old. You remember peachy folders?

Tom Anderson: 25:15

No, tom doesn't even remember that. Yeah, okay, I probably wouldn't. Maybe, if I saw it, yeah, you would. So how does it attach to the iPad with the magnets? Does it go around to the backside, just straight on the front? Nope, on the face.

Jeff Battersby: 25:26

So it's got on. If you've got the iPad in portrait mode, what it has is it has bands on either side, just on the left and right hand side, that attach to the magnets that are on the display itself Anyway. So you just swap it up there and it connects little. You know, it doesn't snap into place if that makes any sense. You kind of have to adjust it a little bit so it's. You know, even with the edges you can put it on cockey if you want to. When they say, if you want to, it's easy to. You know it's easy to make that mistake and have, you know, a little edge hanging over the top and the bottom. But it easy to readjust, it's not really difficult to do that. So does it squirm?

Tom Anderson: 26:09

around much as you're writing, or once it's on, is pretty strong. No, it's on, it's on.

Jeff Battersby: 26:12

And it's really good and a little bit of you can sense and there may be a way that I can fix this a little better you get a little sense of distance between the actual protector and the glass below. So like when you press on that there's occasionally there's like you can feel the gap.

Tom Anderson: 26:30

That's what I was wondering, like with the attachment piece like cause I was thinking if it were the magnets on the front. Like it, you can only get it so close to the display.

Jeff Battersby: 26:40

The magnets are super, super hard.

Jeff Battersby: 26:43

I mean it's yeah, they don't need to be very big, it's almost indiscernible, and it could be, when I've experienced that, just a matter of you know, maybe I need to stretch the edges out. You know, like when you're making a bed right, you kind of have to tighten everything and then tuck it underneath. It's kind of that same thing. You got to make sure that when you're laying it down, that you're laying it down as tight as possible. It's not bad, it really is not bad. So I do like it a lot and I will use it for those kinds of notes. What's the?

Jeff Battersby: 27:12

price tag on that. It's like 35 bucks and that includes pencil tapes and the sheet itself, so it was not too bad.

Tom Anderson: 27:21

I might have to get one of those Jeff.

Jeff Battersby: 27:23

I think, so have me tent it on.

Tom Anderson: 27:24

Because I do like to write. I don't write on the iPad a lot. It's usually when I'm trying to do some like serious thinking and just kind of get my head wrapped around some concepts and sketch stuff out.

Jeff Battersby: 27:35

But yeah, it could be interesting. Maybe I'll give it a shot.

Tom Anderson: 27:38

Good, All right and next up next up.

Jeff Battersby: 27:41

Talk about that fine woven case.

Tom Anderson: 27:43

Let's do it.

Jeff Battersby: 27:44

You've had that for a while now. I have now. I've had it on my phone now for at least a month it's been at least that long and I'm calling BS. I'm calling BS and all the people that says that it's piece of crap and it's going to stain easily and do all that stuff. I have been using this as I would normally use it, as I used my leather case before, and fact of the matter is I like the thing. Is it worth 60 bucks? Ok, maybe not. I can eat that, but all this, ooh, it's crappy, it's scratches. You had to be doing something to make it.

Tom Anderson: 28:24

Well, I wonder too, because it's new, if they were just some early batches, they maybe were not as good as some others, because we've seen that with leather cases when they come out, some come out and they're like creases, like production creases in it not wear and tear creases and stuff, because I've seen pictures on Mac rumors that people have had and Steven Robles did a YouTube video with different cases and things and what I like about Steven is he is one of the most balanced YouTubers and Apple thought people. He does the Apple Insider podcast too and he didn't like it because he didn't like the way it felt.

Tom Anderson: 29:06

But I wonder if that was maybe some of it too, or some of that was an issue, because some people were saying that the cutouts at the bottom were off center and were kind of janky. But we've seen that with the leather cases, though, before too, and so maybe that's all it was.

Jeff Battersby: 29:21

It was just as first runs.

Tom Anderson: 29:22

We've fixed most of that stuff.

Jeff Battersby: 29:24

Yeah, I got this, though at the time that they were released, I ordered one almost immediately. So, yeah, that's possible, but that's hard to say. I'm looking at it now. I did get a blue case, which is unusual for me. I'm not really a blue guy, blue's not my favorite color, but I took a dark blue one and there is nothing wrong with it from my perspective.

Tom Anderson: 29:51

Let it go, folks. Thumbs up, two thumbs up, two thumbs up from Jeff Jeff on the AstroPad. Flame me for it. The fine woven case, yeah, yeah, I mean that's good, you see what everyone else says, but you've got firsthand experience of that. You got that thing, did your leather case and.

Jeff Battersby: 30:07

I'm going to go back to naked too, oh you are. Yeah, yeah, I mean that's kind of the goal in this, but this is a lot. Anyway, what was the next question, tom? No, I was just going to ask if that leather case showed up. It has not showed yet Because I ordered the wrong one and then a million other people ordered the right one. I'm getting my right one when they finish production on it. So I have not seen that yet. So it's coming, but it ain't here yet, ok, all right.

Tom Anderson: 30:33

So not there yet. Not there yet, ok, so fine, woven is good. Yeah, we'll wait to see when the bullstrap case shows up. Maybe do a little comparison between the two.

Jeff Battersby: 30:46

Yeah, they're going to be significantly different. I can tell you that there's definitely going to be a.

Tom Anderson: 30:50

Yeah, because that bullstrap is like legit sweet leather case. Oh yeah, because you had the 15 Pro Max, like you felt that You've seen it, you know what's coming, you just need the right. Or you had 15 Pro because you have the Pro Max phone, but yeah, so you're just waiting for the right one to show up.

Jeff Battersby: 31:04

Yeah, and I'm just going to say again too that I thought the jump from the 15 Pro to the 15 Pro, from the 13 Pro to the 15 Pro Max, was going to be significant Hand issue in like not not comfortable. I'm finding no problem with that either.

Tom Anderson: 31:21

Have you adjusted to the placement of the action button or?

Jeff Battersby: 31:24

is no hate it.

Tom Anderson: 31:25

Okay, yeah, yeah, that's actually about needs to be down below.

Jeff Battersby: 31:28

Yeah, it's, it is. What I find myself doing is hitting the volume button. Yeah, when I want to hit the action button, it's currently a look and find. So that needs to be Midpoint of the midpoint of the the phone. It needs to be below the volume buttons.

Tom Anderson: 31:46

Yes, that's probably what. So this is the 15. They'll get another year or two out of this 16, 17, so iPhone 18 will probably really good Okay so maybe I'll wait till then.

Jeff Battersby: 31:55

By that time, you know, then you'll just be able to tap two fingers together with your headset. Yeah, exactly.

Tom Anderson: 32:06

Yeah, with the headset. So All right, I think that's it, tom. We did it in 30 minutes.

Jeff Battersby: 32:12

Yes, look at us go dang. That was pretty good. Finish your whole workout and enjoy the whole show. We've done it right this time.

Tom Anderson: 32:20

We may have, so I said do let us know, though, which think of the shorter format versus the longer.

Jeff Battersby: 32:27

That seemed to go pretty well, I thought yeah, no, I think so too, and you can tell us at feedback at basic af showcom. You can find us on the web at basic af show. Tom Anderson has a newsletter. How do you get that time?

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Jeff Battersby: 32:54

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Tom Anderson: 33:07

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Jeff Battersby: 33:09

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Tom Anderson: 33:43

Sounds good and we do thank them for that. All right? Yes, indeed, so that's gonna wrap us up. Thank you Once again for being here. Have a great rest of your day or night. Yes, see ya all later.