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Apple Vision Pro with Gannon Nordberg

February 05, 2024 Tom Anderson & Jeff Battersby Episode 28
Apple Vision Pro with Gannon Nordberg
Basic AF: a (mostly) tech podcast
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Basic AF: a (mostly) tech podcast
Apple Vision Pro with Gannon Nordberg
Feb 05, 2024 Episode 28
Tom Anderson & Jeff Battersby

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Gannon Nordberg returns to the show and Jeff got his hands on the new Apple Vision Pro at the Danbury, CT Apple store! JB shares his first impressions on everything, from the initial setup experience to exploring the immersive scenes, navigating visionOS, using the Photos app, and excellent Spatial Audio performance. And answers the big question on everyone's mind - did he end up buying it?

You can find Gannon’s work at - Simple tutorials to level up your Apple tech game, delivered straight to your inbox every 2 weeks for free. Go sign up for his newsletter!

Links from the show:

Apple Vision Pro EPIC Review - Is This The Future?
Apple Vision Pro - Unboxing, Review and demos!
Apple Vision Pro REVIEW: Pros and Cons
Using Apple Vision Pro: What It’s Actually Like!
Apple Vision Pro review: magic, until it’s not

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Intro Music: Psychokinetics - The Chosen

Show transcripts and episode artwork are AI generated and likely contain errors and general silliness.

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Gannon Nordberg returns to the show and Jeff got his hands on the new Apple Vision Pro at the Danbury, CT Apple store! JB shares his first impressions on everything, from the initial setup experience to exploring the immersive scenes, navigating visionOS, using the Photos app, and excellent Spatial Audio performance. And answers the big question on everyone's mind - did he end up buying it?

You can find Gannon’s work at - Simple tutorials to level up your Apple tech game, delivered straight to your inbox every 2 weeks for free. Go sign up for his newsletter!

Links from the show:

Apple Vision Pro EPIC Review - Is This The Future?
Apple Vision Pro - Unboxing, Review and demos!
Apple Vision Pro REVIEW: Pros and Cons
Using Apple Vision Pro: What It’s Actually Like!
Apple Vision Pro review: magic, until it’s not

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Intro Music: Psychokinetics - The Chosen

Show transcripts and episode artwork are AI generated and likely contain errors and general silliness.


Jeff Battersby (0s)
I had the headset on for 20 minutes.

Tom Anderson (17s)
Imperfections and all. It's the Basic AF Show. Tom Anderson, Jeff Battersby.

Jeff Battersby (20s)
Hmm, lots of those, man.

Tom Anderson (23s)
Reunited once again. Well, you got a big mouth. You're a New Yorker. What do you want me to say?

Jeff Battersby (23s)

Jeff Battersby (23s)
I talked over you again.

Jeff Battersby (24s)
First imperfection is I talked right over you.

Jeff Battersby (27s)
Well, I'm a Californian with, with New York blood.

Tom Anderson (30s)
I'm a New Yorker at this point. [laughs]

Jeff Battersby (31s)
Yeah, pretty much.

Jeff Battersby (33s)
I got New York.

Jeff Battersby (33s)
I got a New York attitude, but a California heart.

Tom Anderson (38s)
That explains a lot. [laughs]

Jeff Battersby (38s)
So yeah.

Jeff Battersby (39s)
It also explains why it does explain a ton.

Jeff Battersby (42s)
Uh, also explains why I talk over you constantly.

Tom Anderson (45s)
That's okay. We've known each other long enough. I'll never be offended by it. [laughs]

Jeff Battersby (45s)
So yeah.

Jeff Battersby (46s)
You know why?

Jeff Battersby (47s)
Who needs to hear what the show is?

Jeff Battersby (50s)

Jeff Battersby (51s)

Jeff Battersby (52s)
Did you think so that could end pretty quickly?

Tom Anderson (55s)
So we have a special guest this go round.

Welcome Back Gannon

Tom Anderson (1m)
You've been with us before, way back in almost a year ago, actually, episode three, the Apple services show that we did.

Tom Anderson (1m 6s)
Emergency fill in on episode five, the big tips and tricks show when you had your stuff stolen out in California, which by the way, did you see that in and out has been shut down.

Jeff Battersby (1m 11s)
Yes, it has that that in and out is no longer Woo.

Tom Anderson (1m 15s)
Hey, go figure.

Tom Anderson (1m 18s)

Tom Anderson (1m 19s)
So welcome back to the show.

Gannon Nordberg (1m 23s)
Hey fellas, happy birthday episode 28. That's great. I guess that means nobody pulled the plug on you guys yet. That's that's great

Jeff Battersby (1m 23s)

Tom Anderson (1m 31s)
I'm surprised we haven't pulled it on ourselves.

Jeff Battersby (1m 31s)
Oh, you know, yeah, it's good to have you.

Gannon Nordberg (1m 34s)
I'm happy to be back

Jeff Battersby (1m 37s)
Really is good to have you.

Jeff Battersby (1m 38s)
And, uh, thanks again for, uh, sliding in when I could not do the same, I guess I could have recorded from my phone.

Tom Anderson (1m 45s)
That would have been wild, they do have an app, Riverside has an app for the phone, so yeah, maybe we'll try that sometime.

Jeff Battersby (1m 47s)
That would have been fun, but, uh, nah, it does, I know all possible.

Tom Anderson (1m 55s)
All right, so we originally, actually, let me pause there, I want to go back just a second.

Jeff Battersby (2m 2s)

Tom Anderson (2m 3s)
So our last show, we did the AppEssentials, our go-to tools, and I want to give a shout out to the folks at Bear Notes because I posted on Twitter about that and they reposted it.

Thank You Bear Notes!

Tom Anderson (2m 15s)
And we saw a nice bump in the downloads for that episode.

Tom Anderson (2m 18s)
I'm going to attribute a lot of that, or most of that, if not all of it, to them.

Jeff Battersby (2m 21s)
Get all of it.

Tom Anderson (2m 23s)
So we do appreciate that.

Tom Anderson (2m 24s)
That was very kind.

Tom Anderson (2m 25s)
And if you've come in from that, welcome.

Tom Anderson (2m 27s)
We hope you hang around with us.

Tom Anderson (2m 28s)
We thank you for being here.

Jeff Battersby (2m 29s)
Yeah, absolutely.

Jeff Battersby (2m 30s)
Really grateful.

Tom Anderson (2m 31s)
Yeah, so this show, we're going to do a tips and tricks show.

Tom Anderson (2m 36s)
We did that a year ago.

Tom Anderson (2m 37s)
There's been obviously the new operating systems and everything.

Tom Anderson (2m 40s)
So we thought it'd be good to go back and do that.

Tom Anderson (2m 42s)
We are, we might get to it this episode.

Tom Anderson (2m 45s)
Towards the end, but breaking news.

Jeff Battersby (2m 48s)

Tom Anderson (2m 49s)
Jeff got up early yesterday, braved I-84.

Tom Anderson (2m 53s)
Did you take 84?

Tom Anderson (2m 54s)
Was it 84 you went over?

Jeff Battersby (2m 55s)
Of course I did!

Tom Anderson (2m 56s)

Tom Anderson (2m 56s)
I didn't know if you had maybe a local way that was the,

Jeff Battersby (2m 57s)
The only thing between here...

Tom Anderson (2m 59s)
the back roads or something.

Jeff Battersby (3m)
The scenic route, I did not take the scenic route.

Tom Anderson (3m 1s)

Tom Anderson (3m 2s)

Tom Anderson (3m 3s)
Over to the mall in Danbury, Connecticut.

Tom Anderson (3m 8s)
And had a hands-on experience with Apple Vision Pro.

Tom Anderson (3m 11s)
So we want to talk about that.

Jeff’s Apple Vision Pro Demo

Jeff Battersby (3m 14s)
Yes, I did.

Jeff Battersby (3m 16s)
And I won't bury the lead.

Jeff Battersby (3m 18s)
I did not come back with an Apple Pro,

Jeff Battersby (3m 20s)
nor is it likely that I will be coming back with an Apple.

Jeff Battersby (3m 24s)
What did I just say, Apple Pro?

Jeff Battersby (3m 25s)
Dude, I have coffee, but I'm not doing well.

Jeff Battersby (3m 29s)
Apple Vision Pro, I do not have an Apple Vision Pro.

Jeff Battersby (3m 31s)
I did not buy one.

Tom Anderson (3m 33s)
I'm disappointed knock over the lights. I mean you could have returned it.

Jeff Battersby (3m 35s)
I know, well, I should've sacrificed for the show,

Jeff Battersby (3m 37s)
I get it, but I could've returned it, exactly right.

Jeff Battersby (3m 44s)
Yeah, I could've.

Jeff Battersby (3m 48s)
I did not leave with one.

Jeff Battersby (3m 49s)
I did, though, so what Apple did is,

Jeff Battersby (3m 52s)
and had never seen this before, as long as I can remember,

Jeff Battersby (3m 56s)
and I went to, I think, what was one of the first iPhone releases at that same mall,

Jeff Battersby (4m 3s)
it was back when I was writing for Macworld.

Jeff Battersby (4m 5s)
And I went there and reported on the iPhone release in Danbury, and that was a ton of fun.

Jeff Battersby (4m 13s)
I had a great time.

Jeff Battersby (4m 15s)
It was lines out the door at that point in time.

Jeff Battersby (4m 19s)
So Apple, for the Vision Pros, decided that they were gonna open the stores early.

Jeff Battersby (4m 26s)
So they opened the Apple Store at the Danbury Fair Mall at 8 a.m., also, I think, every other Apple store on the planet was opened at the same time,

Jeff Battersby (4m 36s)
and you could go in and get a, or sign up for a demo,

Jeff Battersby (4m 40s)
a demo session with the Vision Pro.

Jeff Battersby (4m 43s)
I tried to do.

Jeff Battersby (4m 44s)
They sign up online.

Jeff Battersby (4m 46s)
No such possibility.

Jeff Battersby (4m 47s)
They weren't doing anything like that.

Jeff Battersby (4m 49s)
So as Tom mentioned, I hopped in my car, trekked over to Danbury and I did not get there at eight.

Jeff Battersby (4m 58s)
I got there at nine or a little before, a little before nine and needed to make coffee and chill, you know, do that kind of stuff like I have to do in the morning.

Jeff Battersby (5m 7s)
And when I got there, I went to the door.

Jeff Battersby (5m 9s)
There were not lines and lines of people.

Jeff Battersby (5m 13s)
That's the first thing.

Jeff Battersby (5m 14s)
to point out. I guess for $3,500 you don't, you know, get as many people as you do for...

Jeff Battersby (5m 20s)
How much did the iPhone cost in the beginning? About six something?

Tom Anderson (5m 23s)
Yeah, I think it was six, seven hundred, something like five hundred.

Jeff Battersby (5m 25s)
Yeah, yeah, somewhere. So bigger chunk of money. But there was a line to get the demo.

Jeff Battersby (5m 31s)
So when I say a line to get the demo, I walked up and got there at 9. I was allowed to come back at 11. So I had to wait two hours in order to get that demo.

Jeff Battersby (5m 44s)
But not scads and scads of people sitting outside the door. So I went, you know,

Jeff Battersby (5m 50s)
had a little more coffee and went to Panera Bread. Let's see if I can get them to sponsor us.

Jeff Battersby (5m 57s)
I went to Panera, had a little something to eat and drank some coffee and came back and

Jeff Battersby (6m 4s)
started talking to some of the employees. And to a person,

Jeff Battersby (6m 9s)
they were, and it didn't seem like raw cheerleading stuff.

Jeff Battersby (6m 14s)
You know, this is amazing.

Jeff Battersby (6m 16s)
You're really gonna think it's incredible.

Jeff Battersby (6m 18s)
And I talked to a bunch of people, very, very cool.

Jeff Battersby (6m 21s)
So get pulled over, sit down,

Jeff Battersby (6m 25s)
and pretty cool setup process.

Jeff Battersby (6m 30s)
You're sitting with an Apple genius of some sort,

Jeff Battersby (6m 34s)
and they're explaining what it is.

Jeff Battersby (6m 37s)
They actually had to, you had to fill out a questionnaire about whether or not you needed eyeglasses,

Jeff Battersby (6m 42s)
whether you needed reading glasses,

Jeff Battersby (6m 44s)
whether you needed surgery that affected, you know,

Jeff Battersby (6m 46s)
gave you monovision and a couple of different things like that.

Jeff Battersby (6m 50s)
And then they prepped your Apple Vision Pro in the back room, and it came out,

Jeff Battersby (6m 56s)
literally served on a tray, a really nice tray.

Tom Anderson (6m 59s)
I saw pictures of that, that does look like a little nice tray there.

Gannon Nordberg (7m)

Jeff Battersby (7m 3s)
Yeah, it was really kind of slick.

Jeff Battersby (7m 5s)
It was like, where's the, it really, exactly that.

Gannon Nordberg (7m 6s)
The white glove service.

Jeff Battersby (7m 8s)
It was white glove.

Jeff Battersby (7m 9s)
Obviously, they have to kind of prep these things for 4 million people.

Jeff Battersby (7m 14s)
However, many people went and looked at him yesterday.

Jeff Battersby (7m 16s)
So it had a they all got cleaned in between each each showing and they had,

Jeff Battersby (7m 23s)
you know, a special gasket.

Jeff Battersby (7m 28s)
I don't want to get anybody in trouble, but somebody at the store said, you know,

Jeff Battersby (7m 31s)
it's like the toilet seat cover that you get in the public bathroom.

Jeff Battersby (7m 39s)
So that's essentially sorry coughing on the radio.

Jeff Battersby (7m 42s)
So that's essentially what--

Jeff Battersby (7m 44s)
you know what it was. They had a little gasket on there that they pulled off.

Jeff Battersby (7m 48s)
A thing that my mother used to refer to as the ass gasket. Yes, I said ass on the radio or whatever on our podcast. That's okay. Bad words are allowed here. So they pull that off.

Jeff Battersby (8m 3s)
They showed you-- they only give you the band that actually had the little adjusters on the side. I don't know what the technical name for it is. So you didn't get the one that hung over the top here.

Tom Anderson (8m 10s)
That's just the single strap in the back of the head, right?

Jeff Battersby (8m 12s)
is single strap which works pretty well.

Jeff Battersby (8m 14s)
had read, um, like, uh, Berkey's Brownlee had said, you know, you really kind of want to hang it on your, on your cheeks.

Jeff Battersby (8m 22s)
Um, you know, use that to carry some of the weight.

Jeff Battersby (8m 25s)
Uh, I tried my best to do that, but, um, it was, uh, you know, you don't have a lot of time, so I wasn't able to play with it too much.

Jeff Battersby (8m 36s)
So you put the thing on and then there's another setup process that goes on.

Jeff Battersby (8m 40s)
So they pretty basic on the outside of that thing.

Jeff Battersby (8m 44s)
Button on the top that you, that you click dial, you know, the, that allows you to pick and choose and go back to various things.

Jeff Battersby (8m 52s)
So pretty simple that way, but it did exactly right.

Tom Anderson (8m 55s)
Just like the one on the watch, right?

Gannon Nordberg (8m 57s)
Yeah, the digital crown.

Jeff Battersby (8m 57s)
And they call it the same thing.

Jeff Battersby (8m 58s)

Tom Anderson (8m 58s)
Yeah, digital crown, yeah

Jeff Battersby (8m 58s)
They call it digital crown.

Jeff Battersby (9m 1s)
So not much, you know, very familiar, I guess is what I would say.

Jeff Battersby (9m 5s)
Um, and then there's another button on the left-hand side, which we didn't use it all, but you use it to take pictures.

Jeff Battersby (9m 11s)
You know, you can, you can take photos.

Jeff Battersby (9m 14s)
So go through another setup process where your eyes in three different light settings have to focus on, and then you use the little finger tap.

Jeff Battersby (9m 26s)
Which by the way, I never, other than when I was doing other things on it,

Jeff Battersby (9m 31s)
and I'll talk about this a little more, like making windows white or anything like that.

Jeff Battersby (9m 37s)
I had my hand in my lap the whole time and would tap that, and It does not take very much at all to be able to get that to.

Jeff Battersby (9m 45s)
Be able to get that to, uh, to work.

Jeff Battersby (9m 47s)
So you would look up to the top of the screen, tap look.

Jeff Battersby (9m 51s)
Basically it was like clock face, um, without 12 points, it was 10 points,

Jeff Battersby (9m 55s)
I think, or maybe eight points, but you look up, tap to the right tap.

Jeff Battersby (10m 1s)
You kind of go all the way around this clock.

Jeff Battersby (10m 3s)
You do that three times, and then it brings you into the, the

Jeff Battersby (10m 7s)
actual vision pro environment.

Jeff Battersby (10m 10s)
Um, which I will say right off the bat without.

Jeff Battersby (10m 14s)
Having anything up the view through it for the person wearing the vision pro amazingly in the moment.

Jeff Battersby (10m 25s)
So, you know, one of the things I've said before about this is there's this layer of abstraction between you and the universe, you know, you've got these glasses on and you're, you're, you know, interacting with stuff in the, uh, in the room, the guy giving me the demo, 100%.

Jeff Battersby (10m 44s)
there's a lot of people. And I'm not going to get into that. But I'm going to talk about a pair of really hazy, dark glasses or ski goggles. That kind of a feel. Amazing, in

Gannon Nordberg (10m 56s)

Gannon Nordberg (10m 59s)
How was the clarity?

Jeff Battersby (11m 2s)
terms of what it was. Again, there's like a little fog over it. So it's definitely clear that you're in this environment. But that appears to be by design in terms of how it works.

Gannon Nordberg (11m 2s)

Jeff Battersby (11m 14s)
Everybody in the room is, is right there. The other side of that, and I was paying attention to this is if you are on the other end of that experience, in other words, you're the person looking at the, you know, the geek in the goggles, um, it, it, it very alienating. Like everybody in the room that was, that had vision pro on double vision pro on, um, you know, there it's like any VR experience.

Jeff Battersby (11m 44s)
That you've seen, especially the, the goofy ones on, you know, YouTube where people are,

Jeff Battersby (11m 49s)
you know, they're leaning into stuff and, and, you know, running across the room and smashing into walls and televisions and stuff like that. You could see that could be a real thing. Although here you can see through that. So it's unlikely that that thing would happen to you. Um, but that, that distance between you and the person who is wearing the Apple

Jeff Battersby (12m 10s)
Pro, not in any way eliminated.

Jeff Battersby (12m 14s)
Remember the first ad where they showed the guy, the father, that's in the room with his kids and he's got the goggles on and everything?

Jeff Battersby (12m 22s)
And at least my first thought when I saw that was, "No way."

Jeff Battersby (12m 27s)
That's like...

Tom Anderson (12m 29s)
I didn't like that. Yeah, that was one of my biggest complaints of that ad or that I guess it was during the

Jeff Battersby (12m 35s)
It was, yeah, it was in the keynote, right.

Tom Anderson (12m 36s)
Keynote right they showed that yeah

Jeff Battersby (12m 37s)
Exactly that.

Jeff Battersby (12m 38s)
Um, that aspect of it, you know, I wouldn't want to be in a room with somebody else wearing those, those goggles.

Jeff Battersby (12m 43s)
I don't even like it when somebody has a headphone in, when I'm in the room.

Jeff Battersby (12m 47s)
You know what I'm saying?

Jeff Battersby (12m 48s)
Like a lot of people have a, uh, um, an earbud in their ears the whole time that they're,

Jeff Battersby (12m 57s)
they're talking to you, you know, in a room doing stuff.

Tom Anderson (12m 59s)
What's up, bro?

Tom Anderson (13m)
Hold on, I'm on a call.

Jeff Battersby (13m)
Yeah, exactly.

Jeff Battersby (13m)
And it's like, yeah, yeah.

Jeff Battersby (13m 5s)
I mean, there's obviously instances where that is,

Jeff Battersby (13m 7s)
but a hundred percent of the time that drives me crazy, you know, and when my kids were little, you know, when they were getting their first iPods, um, they, when they would go, we would go grocery shopping.

Jeff Battersby (13m 20s)
I would always make them leave that stuff in the car.

Jeff Battersby (13m 23s)
You know, you're not going to walk through the store with earbuds in and not be a part of the situation.

Jeff Battersby (13m 28s)
Uh, this, um, it accentuates that experience by a billion.

Jeff Battersby (13m 33s)

Gannon Nordberg (13m 34s)
How many people were getting a demo at the same time as you?

Jeff Battersby (13m 35s)
They were only doing four or five at a time, um, actually maybe more than that.

Jeff Battersby (13m 41s)
I think they were, there were two tables of four each.

Jeff Battersby (13m 43s)
So eight at a time, there were eight at a time, all was full, but very low key.

Jeff Battersby (13m 50s)
Like when I came back to check in and I was 20 minutes early,

Jeff Battersby (13m 53s)
they come back at 11.

Jeff Battersby (13m 55s)
It's like, don't be standing around here was basically the feeling that I got in a nice way, but, but that was it.

Jeff Battersby (14m 1s)
that I got in a nice way, but that was it.

Jeff Battersby (14m 5s)
There were quite a few people that were there.

Jeff Battersby (14m 8s)
I don't know how many walked out with him.

Jeff Battersby (14m 12s)
I could've hung around or should've hung around.

Tom Anderson (14m 13s)
I know somebody that didn't.

Jeff Battersby (14m 15s)
Who was that?

Tom Anderson (14m 16s)
Ah, yeah, yeah.

Jeff Battersby (14m 18s)
The guy that won't sacrifice for the show, right?

Tom Anderson (14m 20s)
Real quick question for the two of you.

Jeff Battersby (14m 20s)
That's yeah.

Tom Anderson (14m 23s)
How much VR experience with headsets do you guys have?

Tom Anderson (14m 28s)
Like, I have none.

Tom Anderson (14m 29s)
Like, I've never strapped one on or anything,

Tom Anderson (14m 31s)
so I don't have any basis to go with.

Gannon Nordberg (14m 34s)
Believe it or not, I do have another nerd friend outside of you guys and he has, he has a pretty sweet rig in his basement where he's got, I think it's a Quest, I don't know which one, but he's got, it's hooked up to a pretty powerful gaming PC and of course he has, you know, games that I'm not that interested in but he had this demo where he would put you like in the ocean and you'd stand in the

Jeff Battersby (14m 37s)

Gannon Nordberg (15m 4s)
middle of the room with this headset on and you've got like controllers in your hands and you know you can actually like take a couple steps around the room a little bit so he's got like the space cleared out so that you can move around freely and really experience more senses there and you know you're like looking up and there's a whale swimming by and then you can like, you know, walk over this way and you'll see a ship, you know, with fish swimming through it and stuff like that and I remember there's one part of this demo where you're on top of

Gannon Nordberg (15m 34s)
this building and you're supposed to like walk up to the edge and kind of like look over the edge and like I had this feeling of vertigo like I was gonna fall and of course my buddy gave me a little tap on the back and I like just lost it. I like threw off the headset and was like okay I need a break from this because that was a little too real. So I know that's a different experience than what Apple has arranged with this product but that's the limited experience I have with kind of AR/VR.

Tom Anderson (16m 4s)
Okay, so we're all limited. Okay.

Jeff Battersby (16m 6s)
Yeah, and I've had zero prior to this, like literally none, this is, I've, I tried once putting on a headset at a, at Best Buy to see what it was like and it was broken.

Tom Anderson (16m 16s)
ring. Okay. So total, I know you're going to dig into the details here, but the total demo time was 20-25 minutes. That sound right? Okay. Okay. All right. So at this point, you've put it on and you see the haze and you got your eyes dialed in

Jeff Battersby (16m 16s)
So that's the experience of putting one on my head and you.

Jeff Battersby (16m 24s)
2025 minutes.

Jeff Battersby (16m 26s)
Exactly right.

Jeff Battersby (16m 26s)
And that included the setup.

Jeff Battersby (16m 29s)
So the actual, the, the actual demo time yet.

Jeff Battersby (16m 32s)

Jeff Battersby (16m 32s)
Put it on it.

Tom Anderson (16m 37s)
with the calibrated for the touch stuff. Then where did you

Jeff Battersby (16m 44s)
So, then it's really a demo of a couple of apps, not a ton.

Jeff Battersby (16m 51s)
So what he has you do is press the crown, the crown brings over essentially the dock or launch pad.

Jeff Battersby (16m 59s)
It's funny how these things kind of get in there.

Jeff Battersby (17m 2s)
And what you'll notice immediately is when the apps all appear in front of you is that ever so slightly like...

Jeff Battersby (17m 14s)
very subtly move when your eyes move around the space.

Jeff Battersby (17m 19s)
And that's something that I will say that is extraordinarily impressive,

Jeff Battersby (17m 26s)
is one, how responsive that is,

Jeff Battersby (17m 29s)
and two, how much sense it makes.

Jeff Battersby (17m 33s)
It really makes a ton of sense.

Jeff Battersby (17m 35s)
So the first thing that he had me do was open the photos app.

Jeff Battersby (17m 39s)
So look at photos, tap once.

Jeff Battersby (17m 44s)
It opened that up and, you know, super responsive.

Jeff Battersby (17m 47s)
So the speed at which these apps open,

Jeff Battersby (17m 52s)
you know, I wanna see on my Mac and on my phone.

Jeff Battersby (17m 57s)
They really fly in terms of how quickly they open.

Jeff Battersby (18m 2s)
So open up the photos app,

Jeff Battersby (18m 3s)
and he had me do a number of things.

Jeff Battersby (18m 8s)
You know, first he had me look at very specific photos.

Jeff Battersby (18m 11s)
You know, there's a whole bunch in the library,

Jeff Battersby (18m 14s)
he had me open up a library by looking at it, tapping.

Jeff Battersby (18m 16s)
And then once I was in this library,

Jeff Battersby (18m 18s)
I then, you know, I had to look at the top left picture.

Jeff Battersby (18m 23s)
And this was, as part of the demo,

Jeff Battersby (18m 26s)
kind of giving me some instructions on how to zoom in on a photo,

Jeff Battersby (18m 31s)
how to set the app in space,

Jeff Battersby (18m 33s)
which is really impressive as well,

Jeff Battersby (18m 36s)
in terms of how you can place these things,

Jeff Battersby (18m 39s)
you know, make it bigger or smaller and resize it.

Jeff Battersby (18m 42s)
The other thing that I was.

Jeff Battersby (18m 44s)
Isn't expecting that it does is you've got the ability to place things further away from you or closer to you.

Jeff Battersby (18m 50s)
You know, I was expecting kind of a two-dimensional space where you know, you slid stuff around but not that I could put this window in the back and move this window a little more for it.

Jeff Battersby (19m)
That was was pretty impressive to so photos app and I will say the first time that I was really like bold over was when I was in the.

Jeff Battersby (19m 14s)
So great pictures can see them could see the depth, you know, pretty amazing.

Jeff Battersby (19m 20s)
But then he had me go to a video that was shot on an iPhone, you know, in this kind of three-dimensional depth thing.

Jeff Battersby (19m 29s)
And it was a little kid with family around and birthday cake right in front of where you're sitting.

Jeff Battersby (19m 38s)
And you know, everybody sings happy birthday and that she comes forward and she blows out.

Jeff Battersby (19m 45s)
And first of all, it was like you almost expected to smell the smoke when when it I mean it was that immersive but the depth of it the reality of it.

Jeff Battersby (19m 55s)
It clear that it was video.

Jeff Battersby (19m 57s)
That's not, you know, it's not like, you know, you felt like you were going to reach out and touch a person in the face.

Jeff Battersby (20m 2s)
But the the way that I was enveloped in that particular moment was amazing.

Jeff Battersby (20m 12s)

Jeff Battersby (20m 14s)
Everybody, if you guys seen the movie Minority Report, okay, you remember early on in the movie where Tom Cruise's character, you know, he goes out, he gets his drugs and he takes his drugs and then he's watching videos of his kid.

Jeff Battersby (20m 27s)
It had that dynamic to it, except for, I went and rewatched that scene yesterday in the movie just to kind of see what it was about.

Jeff Battersby (20m 37s)
It was more than what that movie offered.

Jeff Battersby (20m 39s)
It was more immersive than what that movie offered and was more touching.

Jeff Battersby (20m 44s)
I was talking with actually the security guard afterwards, you know, after I'd had my demo and he goes, "You know what's amazing about this?"

Jeff Battersby (20m 53s)
And he was right, 100% right about this.

Jeff Battersby (20m 57s)
He said, "You know what's amazing about this is that," you know, he was saying, "His parents are getting older and his kids are starting to have kids and his parents probably gonna to pass away before...

Jeff Battersby (21m 14s)
you know, the kids get a chance to remember who or understand who these people were.

Jeff Battersby (21m 21s)
And you could record something where, you know, grandma and grandpa or great grandma and grandpa are holding, you know, the baby in their arms and talking to the baby.

Jeff Battersby (21m 29s)
And that at some point in time in the future, these kids could have the ability to see that video and kind of get a really live feeling of what it was about.

Jeff Battersby (21m 42s)
To me, that was one of the most impressive.

Jeff Battersby (21m 44s)
about Vision Pro was the way that that particular moment made me feel.

Jeff Battersby (21m 54s)
And that's, it goes beyond just straight-up technology. It's the way that that I felt about that particular moment. I didn't even know, you know, these are

Gannon Nordberg (22m 7s)
Well, and imagine how that's going to make you feel when it's your photo library and not some stock library.

Gannon Nordberg (22m 13s)
So I'm sure all those emotions will be heightened if they're yours.

Jeff Battersby (22m 16s)
Hundred percent and the ability to feel like you're in that moment in that scene, you know, really pretty amazing

Jeff Battersby (22m 23s)
Also, you know if you're Tom Cruise and Minority Report

Jeff Battersby (22m 28s)
Way to watch you it makes you want to you blot it all out because it breaks your heart

Jeff Battersby (22m 33s)
so You know, there's a there's a little bit there. So that was very very impressive to me That was the first time that I was really that I was really kind of bowled over by the whole thing

Jeff Battersby (22m 46s)
After that, you know, it's really the whole the whole demo was really very like bang bang bang bang bang So, you know got through that stuff

Jeff Battersby (22m 55s)
Had me rearrange it had me open it up a couple of other apps

Jeff Battersby (22m 59s)
Put them on the screen in various places and kind of look look around and see what was there

Jeff Battersby (23m 5s)
and it is

Jeff Battersby (23m 8s)
Pretty straightforward. I'm gonna say right out of the box. I do not see anybody. I

Jeff Battersby (23m 13s)
I shouldn't say anybody, but I barely see.

Jeff Battersby (23m 16s)
Um, productivity apps, like there's no way I'm writing on this, you know,

Jeff Battersby (23m 21s)
maybe if I plugged the computer in or, you know, have a computer not plugged in, but hooked up and use it that way.

Jeff Battersby (23m 26s)
Um, but, uh, I'm a very fast typist, but I'm not technically a touch typist.

Jeff Battersby (23m 31s)
You know, I'm a, I'm a guy that essentially taught myself how to type

Jeff Battersby (23m 36s)
and type really quickly and I use all my fingers, but that would, that, that there would be a pile of garbage on the screen if I was typing.

Jeff Battersby (23m 43s)
would be a pile of garbage on the screen if I was typing.

Jeff Battersby (23m 46s)
in that way. I guess if you could talk to, you know, if you were using the option to speak,

Jeff Battersby (23m 53s)
speak to the computer and have it, you know, translate your words to text, that might work,

Jeff Battersby (23m 59s)
but that's not really good writing style for me. But I really, I'm going to be interested to see

Jeff Battersby (24m 4s)
what happens with regard to productivity apps. I know Fantastical just yesterday announced that that they released a Vision Pro version of their app.

Jeff Battersby (24m 16s)
Which, you know, amazing.

Jeff Battersby (24m 18s)
And I could see in that situation where you're hopping into a Zoom meeting and Zoom pops up and you're in your goggles.

Jeff Battersby (24m 27s)
If they see your avatar, who knows?

Tom Anderson (24m 30s)
Did you get to do that as part of the demo?

Jeff Battersby (24m 30s)
That might be a little goofy.

Jeff Battersby (24m 34s)
They did not do any of that kind of stuff at all.

Tom Anderson (24m 34s)

Jeff Battersby (24m 36s)
It really, you know,

Jeff Battersby (24m 38s)
they're really trying to slide people through.

Jeff Battersby (24m 41s)
But give you, as I will say,

Jeff Battersby (24m 44s)
it was a very enjoyable experience

Jeff Battersby (24m 46s)
and it was not like going to buy a car, you know?

Jeff Battersby (24m 50s)
All right, let's drive the car.

Jeff Battersby (24m 52s)
So, you're ready to do this today.

Jeff Battersby (24m 54s)
It was none of that stuff.

Jeff Battersby (24m 56s)
It was very low-key, very friendly, very straightforward.

Jeff Battersby (25m 2s)
The other thing, so again, you were just talking about when you went to your friend's house and had the opportunity to do some VR stuff at your friend's house.

Jeff Battersby (25m 12s)
They had a couple of immersive things here too as well.

Jeff Battersby (25m 16s)
That were equally as impressive.

Jeff Battersby (25m 19s)
So, one of them is this shot that's a 360 shot that you're on some lake somewhere.

Jeff Battersby (25m 24s)
And I swear, every detail, very amazing.

Jeff Battersby (25m 28s)
Like you look down and when you look down,

Jeff Battersby (25m 30s)
you can see the ground at your feet.

Jeff Battersby (25m 32s)
I mean, it was really that slick.

Jeff Battersby (25m 38s)
All of those things, I will say no matter what,

Jeff Battersby (25m 40s)
you definitely know that you're not in reality.

Jeff Battersby (25m 44s)
And that was another thing that.

Jeff Battersby (25m 46s)
That kind of sticks with me.

Jeff Battersby (25m 47s)
It's like, I was standing in the ocean in the vision pro, but I could drive to the ocean and put my toes in the water too.

Jeff Battersby (25m 55s)
You know, there's, there is an aspect of it that is definitely, I mean, I suppose I'm never going to get, you know, to the top of Mount Everest for something like that, that you would never, at least I would never be able to do, you know, I'm not going to be hauling to the top of there, um, for something like that, pretty but for the basic stuff of being a...

Jeff Battersby (26m 16s)
being able to step in the water.

Jeff Battersby (26m 20s)
Not a big deal.

Jeff Battersby (26m 24s)
They had me watch also a 3D version of the Mario movie.

Jeff Battersby (26m 30s)
And also Slick, I don't know,

Jeff Battersby (26m 32s)
I don't like 3D movies anyway.

Jeff Battersby (26m 34s)
There's not a lot.

Jeff Battersby (26m 35s)
I think I've seen one, Coraline.

Jeff Battersby (26m 38s)
I saw Coraline and liked that a ton,

Jeff Battersby (26m 40s)
and pretty cool that way.

Jeff Battersby (26m 44s)
But I, you know, to watch.

Jeff Battersby (26m 46s)
3d movies, not a thing that I'm going to do it.

Jeff Battersby (26m 48s)
The other thing.

Gannon Nordberg (26m 48s)
That's that's funny. That's that's the biggest appeal to me is 3d movies. Mm-hmm

Jeff Battersby (26m 52s)

Jeff Battersby (26m 52s)

Jeff Battersby (26m 53s)
See, so you're that's a that's a space that makes sense for you to yeah.

Gannon Nordberg (26m 58s)
Right, I mean I'll have a nice TV set up here at my house, but

Gannon Nordberg (27m 3s)
You know, I do watch movies pretty frequently and I watch them alone. So this could this isn't for like a

Gannon Nordberg (27m 10s)
This isn't an experience that I would need to share with anyone necessarily It's but that 3d aspect and having that, you know spatial

Gannon Nordberg (27m 18s)
audio right by your ears and being able to kind of look around the space and see more of the scenery that would be pretty cool to see even in just the demo.

Jeff Battersby (27m 29s)

Jeff Battersby (27m 29s)

Jeff Battersby (27m 29s)
That frigging phenomenal.

Jeff Battersby (27m 34s)
It's unbelievable how good it is.

Jeff Battersby (27m 39s)
And I don't know, it was, it was absolutely incredible how good it was.

Jeff Battersby (27m 46s)
And it is spatial audio too.

Jeff Battersby (27m 48s)
So you turn your head, you get a different,

Jeff Battersby (27m 49s)
you know, you get a different sound.

Jeff Battersby (27m 51s)
The other thing that was phenomenal, they had a, um, uh, a sports demo.

Jeff Battersby (27m 57s)
where the first one was.

Jeff Battersby (27m 59s)
It was a soccer game that had clearly just been shot.

Jeff Battersby (28m 6s)
Like, 'cause it was a demo of Messi with the team in Florida.

Jeff Battersby (28m 10s)
You know, the guys with the pink shirts.

Jeff Battersby (28m 13s)
And he, you were behind the goal

Jeff Battersby (28m 19s)
and it was, you know, just above it.

Jeff Battersby (28m 21s)
And it was absolutely amazing in terms of, you know,

Jeff Battersby (28m 27s)
how much you felt like you were.

Jeff Battersby (28m 29s)
In that particular scene, like, you know, move out of the way of the ball kind of, kind of stuff.

Jeff Battersby (28m 35s)
So, and according to the guy that was giving me the demo, they are, they're definitely already working with Major League Baseball.

Jeff Battersby (28m 44s)
And I don't know if it was the NFL or maybe it was Major League Soccer.

Jeff Battersby (28m 47s)
They're already set up now to, to do, to record stuff so that you can watch it using vision

Tom Anderson (28m 56s)
Kind of makes those Apple TV plus deals they've done make a little more sense

Tom Anderson (29m 2s)
Yeah, so kind of Brings that together rather nicely for that kind of stuff. Did you by chance see Brian tongs review on?

Jeff Battersby (29m 11s)
I did not see that one.

Tom Anderson (29m 11s)
YouTube he did like a 55 minute review

Tom Anderson (29m 16s)
And I actually watched it all last night

Tom Anderson (29m 20s)
Like let me see but he had the NBA app

Tom Anderson (29m 24s)

Jeff Battersby (29m 25s)
You sent me this screenshot of that. Is that what you sent me? Yeah, yeah, that was pretty.

Tom Anderson (29m 26s)
he's going to be doing. He's going to be doing a lot of sports junkies. They've got Not The Show, which is a long-time running show too, which is really great. Check them out. But we'll have a multiple TV set up for sports. I've never done that. I've always thought it looked sweet though. And so he was showing the NBA app has built in support for that. So you can have like a center app or center screen, I should say, with a game you're watching. But you can also pick

Tom Anderson (29m 56s)
I think he had five going at one time. And it was so like he had, you know, that dream set up for a sports fan of multiple TVs. But then what kind of took it even next level is he could say, okay, we'll put the live stats, you know, in separate windows off to the sides of the TV or not the TVs, but of the screens, we'll call them. And that I was like, just take my money for that. That would be great.

Gannon Nordberg (30m 23s)

Tom Anderson (30m 26s)
You know, somebody that likes sports and everything. I mean, imagine college football season. If you're into that, I don't watch a lot of that. But basket March Madness. Oh, my gosh, that would be incredible for that. So that one looked interesting. I don't know if they did they show the NBA app in the demo at all.

Jeff Battersby (30m 42s)
I did not see the NBA app in the demo, no.

Tom Anderson (30m 43s)

Jeff Battersby (30m 44s)
I saw it was Major League Baseball and Major League Soccer, both of those, and it's super impressive, you know.

Tom Anderson (30m 47s)

Tom Anderson (30m 50s)
Yeah, and the app was just like the regular TV stream that you would see like it wasn't like you were talking with the soccer experience.

Tom Anderson (30m 57s)

Jeff Battersby (30m 57s)
This was more of a canned demo is what it was.

Tom Anderson (30m 57s)
So, yeah.

Jeff Battersby (31m 2s)
So, you know, they brought up video that they had shot for this and it kind of bounced between Major League Baseball, which was ground level, like right at,

Jeff Battersby (31m 10s)
you know, right at first base, basically. You could see on the ground. So I imagined they would have, you know, cameras all over the place. But it was canned. It was not like you were looking at something in the app, which makes sense because, you know, at 8 in the morning, who's playing sports? I guess They're playing, you know, the Premier League might be playing, but that's it.

Tom Anderson (31m 21s)
Mm-hmm. Right. Yeah. Very good point.

Jeff Battersby (31m 27s)
So, um, yeah, not that, all right.

Tom Anderson (31m 29s)
So, comfort level. I know you sent me a funny picture, so let's talk about that.

Jeff Battersby (31m 33s)
So let's, let's talk about two things.

Jeff Battersby (31m 35s)
There's two levels of comfort.

Jeff Battersby (31m 36s)
One level of comfort is navigation and working with the app, you know, all the stuff in there, frigging brilliant.

Jeff Battersby (31m 42s)
Like amazing in terms of, uh, how easy it was to pick up the, the gestures,

Jeff Battersby (31m 49s)
like honestly, zero time at all.

Jeff Battersby (31m 52s)

Jeff Battersby (31m 53s)
Um, I had the headset.

Jeff Battersby (31m 57s)
And then I left my demo, fortunately, I wear a hat on my head, um, left the demo, went to, you know, a store and then walked to my car.

Jeff Battersby (32m 8s)
And then I sent Tom a picture of my mug, um, that 20 minutes later still had a raccoon band across the top of my head.

Jeff Battersby (32m 16s)
So it's definitely, um,

Jeff Battersby (32m 27s)
It would be for me, it would be hard to wear this thing for a really long time.

Jeff Battersby (32m 31s)
I think I've mentioned to you Tom before, but a friend of mine's daughter was a helicopter pilot for the Navy.

Jeff Battersby (32m 42s)
And she used to have to wear basically infrared night vision goggles the whole time she was flying, cuz she was flying at night over the ocean,

Jeff Battersby (32m 51s)
like about six inches above the ocean, trolling for submarines and stuff like that.

Jeff Battersby (32m 57s)
Not that I know that for a fact,

Jeff Battersby (32m 58s)
because she's not allowed to tell anything that she did.

Jeff Battersby (33m 1s)
But with those night vision goggles, she had to have a counterbalance on the back,

Jeff Battersby (33m 7s)
because they're so heavy that it ended up hurting her neck.

Jeff Battersby (33m 11s)
And actually, she ended up stopping flying helicopters.

Jeff Battersby (33m 15s)
This is supremely heavy.

Jeff Battersby (33m 19s)
And for any length of time, unless your head's leaning back on a couch or something like that, which I don't know what picture it was that you sent me, Tom,

Jeff Battersby (33m 27s)
where you're lying on his back in a room on a couch with his goggles on,

Jeff Battersby (33m 32s)
that's a great position to be in for this.

Gannon Nordberg (33m 34s)

Jeff Battersby (33m 34s)
It's not having to hold your head up.

Jeff Battersby (33m 38s)
So, I can see that being,

Jeff Battersby (33m 44s)
maybe that's why the battery only lasts for two hours.

Jeff Battersby (33m 48s)
He'd take it off after two hours after recharging.

Jeff Battersby (33m 51s)
By the way, that's a no big deal for me, that battery pack.

Jeff Battersby (33m 57s)
It's like in the back of your pocket, it's no big deal.

Jeff Battersby (33m 59s)
Like if you're walking around with it, it's a zero.

Jeff Battersby (34m 1s)
Like a lot of people go, my God, battery hanging out.

Jeff Battersby (34m 5s)
Why'd they do that?

Jeff Battersby (34m 6s)
Sorry, it's literally no big deal.

Jeff Battersby (34m 9s)

Tom Anderson (34m 10s)
I do think, or I do wonder, not think, they know, but why the battery wasn't a little bigger.

Tom Anderson (34m 18s)
It's going to be external anyway.

Tom Anderson (34m 20s)
And like, just not maybe necessarily the physical size of it, but I think Marques Brownlee mentioned like the milliamp hours and everything was lower than some phones.

Jeff Battersby (34m 29s)
Yeah that's interesting and it is about this.

Tom Anderson (34m 29s)
And it's like, if you're gonna throw the chunky battery outside anyway, and it could go back to yeah, we really don't want people wearing this for four or five hours and then sue us

Jeff Battersby (34m 38s)
Who knows?

Jeff Battersby (34m 39s)

Jeff Battersby (34m 39s)
I don't know what the, right.

Tom Anderson (34m 40s)
because they've got bad necks, AVP neck.

Jeff Battersby (34m 42s)
Everybody needs neck surgery.

Jeff Battersby (34m 44s)
Um, yeah, I don't know.

Jeff Battersby (34m 46s)
It is about the size of the original iPhone

Jeff Battersby (34m 50s)
and the same feel and shape, but it's, you know, toss that thing in the back of your pocket.

Jeff Battersby (34m 56s)
Curious question why they couldn't have made it last more.

Jeff Battersby (34m 57s)
Cause they, the thing's nothing but battery.

Tom Anderson (34m 58s)
Right. And I think the quest has it on the back and like the quest has the quest have the quest three has the battery built in

Gannon Nordberg (35m 5s)
I think so. And I heard that some people like that because it acts as a counterbalance back there.

Jeff Battersby (35m 9s)
Counterbalance, yeah, makes sense.

Tom Anderson (35m 10s)
Right, yeah, and you know again, I've not tried this at all yet and I was looking so last night I was just doing a little research on on reddit They've got a couple of vision pro subreddits there and I was like, oh, I wonder what the first impressions are there And as you would expect, it was mixed, I think that that's a right edge.

Tom Anderson (35m 28s)
It is people who were are really interested in this, right?

Tom Anderson (35m 32s)
Why else would you be in the subreddit unless you're trolling people?

Tom Anderson (35m 35s)
But so, you know, they are hardcore into it.

Tom Anderson (35m 40s)
And the feedback, initial feedback was pretty mixed.

Tom Anderson (35m 43s)
A lot of people, you know, really liked it and had nothing bad to say.

Tom Anderson (35m 48s)
But there were a considerable number of folks who thought technically it is incredible.

Tom Anderson (35m 59s)
Practical usage of it, they're going to struggle to find after the novelty wears off.

Tom Anderson (36m 4s)
Because all of these things, I mean, the screens are great.

Tom Anderson (36m 7s)
Obviously, the engineering is Apple, so we know that's going to be top notch and everything.

Tom Anderson (36m 12s)
But still a VR headset.

Tom Anderson (36m 14s)
And so all of the struggles that have come with the VR headsets to date with, you know, neck fatigue, eye strain.

Tom Anderson (36m 21s)
And as people noted for this one in particular, because with the Quest, you've got the controllers, right, to do things.

Tom Anderson (36m 28s)
But with this one being driven by, you know, vision.

Tom Anderson (36m 32s)
So, you know, you look, you tap, you look, you tap, you look, you tap.

Tom Anderson (36m 36s)
That they had mental fatigue caused by that after an hour, hour and a half.

Tom Anderson (36m 42s)
Because it's, I guess, and it could just be they're overly focused and they just need to relax a little bit because it's new.

Tom Anderson (36m 50s)
And that might subside.

Tom Anderson (36m 52s)
Because, you know, like you mentioned, you kind of control everything by looking and tapping, looking and tapping.

Tom Anderson (36m 58s)
And I think mentioned that you forget, like when you're using a computer or your phone or whatever it is.

Tom Anderson (37m 5s)
You look at something, but you don't have to necessarily maintain that focus on it to click it or tap it on your phone or something like that.

Tom Anderson (37m 12s)
And so that caused, you know, that was a little bit of a learning adjustment too with regards to that.

Tom Anderson (37m 17s)
But the other, and I think probably the biggest complaint that I saw was on the pass-through.

Tom Anderson (37m 25s)
So you talked about it when you first put it on, Jeff.

Tom Anderson (37m 28s)
The, you know, because it is showing you your surroundings, but it's through the screens, right?

Tom Anderson (37m 33s)
It's with the cameras on the outside of the unit and everything.

Tom Anderson (37m 35s)
Um, and people were pretty vocal about not thinking or thinking that was not so great.

Tom Anderson (37m 46s)
Um, that the marketing materials made it seem like it was going to be much better than it is.

Tom Anderson (37m 52s)
Um, they all seem to think it was better than the quest three to, to a certain degree.

Tom Anderson (37m 58s)
But that's what 500 bucks versus 3,500 bucks.

Tom Anderson (38m 2s)
Um, and especially in low light or when you moved, especially if the light wasn't great.

Tom Anderson (38m 7s)
So obviously in the store, the light's going to be great.

Tom Anderson (38m 9s)
Um, that there was a lot of motion blur and like the lower the light was like, because one of the demos, some reviewers did is they would have that on, they'd look at their phone and they could still do text messages and things like that.

Tom Anderson (38m 22s)
And so people tried that because they saw it in reviews and there were a lot of complaints that they couldn't see the time on their watch.

Tom Anderson (38m 26s)
They couldn't do text messaging.

Tom Anderson (38m 28s)
It was too blurry to do that.

Gannon Nordberg (38m 31s)

Tom Anderson (38m 33s)
That stuff, I mean, that's hard.

Tom Anderson (38m 36s)
And I don't know, you know, maybe at some point that stuff will get better.

Tom Anderson (38m 40s)
But I mean, it's just like with your phone.

Tom Anderson (38m 42s)
I mean, when you take a low light picture on your phone and you move it, you know, it's going to blur.

Tom Anderson (38m 48s)
And I think that's just, you know, a lot of it's physics and it's just the way things

Jeff Battersby (38m 53s)
Yeah, I don't think it, this is my kind of current gut.

Jeff Battersby (38m 58s)
I don't see this being something available for everyday use until it can be basically a pair of glasses, you know, that you're wearing that that's your vision goes straight through that.

Jeff Battersby (39m 14s)
And then it's presenting that information on, you know, some kind of screen or.

Tom Anderson (39m 19s)
Scannan might live to see that, we won't see that.

Jeff Battersby (39m 19s)

Jeff Battersby (39m 19s)
Oh. (laughs)

Gannon Nordberg (39m 22s)
We'll see, you never know.

Tom Anderson (39m 25s)
I mean, the meta Ray-Bans, those seem to be, people seem to like those, I mean, it's not the same thing, it's not close, but I think the trend, the goal, that is the goal, but man, that seems a long way off still.

Jeff Battersby (39m 36s)
Right, I agree.

Jeff Battersby (39m 39s)
I think it's something else.

Jeff Battersby (39m 41s)
Although, you know, you can talk to Elon and go get an implant and maybe that does it for you too.

Jeff Battersby (39m 45s)
You know, like just, it puts it right in your brain.

Tom Anderson (39m 48s)
Yeah, take a neural link. Yeah.

Gannon Nordberg (39m 50s)
I'll be curious to see how Apple Silicon can help really iterate this Vision Pro in the coming years. Like I wouldn't be surprised if it got drastically improved and enhanced with the technology and the chips inside it to make it smaller and lighter weight and you know more energy efficient and stuff. I'd be curious to

Jeff Battersby (40m 17s)
Yeah, it's, I, listen, it's, it's very impressive technology.

Jeff Battersby (40m 21s)
Um, Apple has, again, I've not having not seen any other VR headsets.

Jeff Battersby (40m 25s)
Apple has done something here that I think is, um, ridiculous in terms of,

Jeff Battersby (40m 30s)
uh, what it's capable of and you know, what it, what it can be.

Jeff Battersby (40m 35s)
And, you know, I think, Oh, geez, what's that go buy one.

Tom Anderson (40m 37s)
I have a homework assignment for you.

Tom Anderson (40m 41s)
No, no, we've decided we've already crossed that bridge you should go out to a store and try the quest three

Jeff Battersby (40m 49s)
Yeah, if I could find one that works.

Tom Anderson (40m 51s)
And come back and then compare

Jeff Battersby (40m 55s)
Alright, I will do that not by the time we get to the next show,

Tom Anderson (40m 58s)
If you get a chance, it's not that big of a deal but it would be interesting just to kind of see because

Jeff Battersby (40m 58s)
but for the show after that.

Jeff Battersby (41m 1s)

Tom Anderson (41m 3s)
I'm curious because that was one of the things people were like well the quest

Tom Anderson (41m 7s)
3 is like a seventh of the price and get you 80% of the way there. I think the biggest gap where I would favor the the vision pro is just because of the Apple ecosystem and all the apps and your messages and everything are there where's you're not going to get that on the quest 3 is mostly for gaming and movie watching

Tom Anderson (41m 28s)
So Gannon, are you gonna buy one?

Gannon Nordberg (41m 31s)
No, believe it or not, last spring when they announced it, I'm like, you know what?

Gannon Nordberg (41m 34s)
I'm saving up and getting one of these.

Gannon Nordberg (41m 36s)
I just really wanted to be part of this early adopter, you know, craze.

Gannon Nordberg (41m 40s)
And I started saving up a bunch of money, but then the fall rolled around and I bought a new phone and a new watch and my wife, a new watch.

Gannon Nordberg (41m 48s)
And that totally zapped my savings.

Gannon Nordberg (41m 50s)
So, no, I'm afraid not.

Gannon Nordberg (41m 53s)
I'm going to take a backseat on this one, but we'll seriously look at version two.

Tom Anderson (42m)
Jeff, probably not. I'd like to order one to try it for work.

Jeff Battersby (42m 7s)
And you're going to get one for the for work.

Tom Anderson (42m 10s)
Yeah, we were talking about that the other day. And so that we're still looking at that, like we've got an AR VR program that are definitely getting one or two for what they do, but it makes sense for them. And so we're still on the fence for just one have on for our department. If it were more of a

Tom Anderson (42m 30s)
shared device or something like that, maybe, but I don't know, I might order one just to try it. Take advantage of the 14 day window. I feel like it's probably going to be long enough where I get bored with the novelty and don't want to put it on and it'll just collect dust. But then I'm like, why even tempt yourself because my luck I would do it. I'd fall out or something with a busted hip and then I'd be out from miss the a 14 day window and be stuck with the payments.

Tom Anderson (42m 58s)
So, I don't know.

Tom Anderson (43m)
I don't know if I should tempt fate.

Jeff Battersby (43m 1s)
Eh, smart idea.

Tom Anderson (43m 2s)
And we don't have an Apple store that's really close enough to try it out.

Tom Anderson (43m 7s)
And I don't wanna drive to Northern Virginia, so.

Jeff Battersby (43m 10s)
Can't blame you.

Jeff Battersby (43m 11s)

Tom Anderson (43m 11s)

Tom Anderson (43m 12s)
All right, well, we'll put a bunch of links in the show notes for the reviews and everything.

Tom Anderson (43m 17s)
You know, and they're pretty good.

Tom Anderson (43m 19s)
MKBHD, of course, top notch on production values and just kind of being balanced about everything.

Tom Anderson (43m 23s)
I still think Neelay Patel's review for "The Verge"

Jeff Battersby (43m 26s)
Excellent. Yeah.

Tom Anderson (43m 26s)
was excellent and was very realistic.

Tom Anderson (43m 30s)
I didn't really get overly hyped about it, said, "Hey, A, B, and C are good.

Tom Anderson (43m 34s)
X, Y, and Z are not so great."

Tom Anderson (43m 37s)
And so we'll link all those in the show notes.

Jeff Battersby (43m 39s)
Yeah, yeah, definitely.

Jeff Battersby (43m 40s)
And we've managed to burn almost 45 minutes of your day.


Jeff Battersby (43m 44s)
So sorry.

Jeff Battersby (43m 45s)
I mean, you're getting more time on the treadmill,

Jeff Battersby (43m 48s)
so we appreciate that.

Jeff Battersby (43m 50s)
As usual, you can get to us at feedback at

Jeff Battersby (43m 55s)
We really like feedback, so please do that.

Jeff Battersby (43m 58s)
Show music by Psychokinetics.

Jeff Battersby (44m 1s)
We might be putting out a playlist,

Jeff Battersby (44m 3s)
so we'll throw some Psychokinetics on that playlist.

Jeff Battersby (44m 6s)
I don't know, was that just for us, Tom?

Jeff Battersby (44m 7s)
Or is that a--

Jeff Battersby (44m 9s)
to be publicly embarrassing.

Tom Anderson (44m 11s)
We'll see. To be determined.

Jeff Battersby (44m 12s)
All right.

Jeff Battersby (44m 13s)
And fun idea.

Jeff Battersby (44m 14s)
We've got a little music toss in there.

Jeff Battersby (44m 16s)
I know I've tossed too much music in.

Jeff Battersby (44m 17s)
And then a Randall Martin design for show logo, not the actual

Jeff Battersby (44m 22s)
episode artwork, but we want you to check all those guys out.

Jeff Battersby (44m 26s)
And thanks for spending $45.

Tom Anderson (44m 31s)
We do. And Gannon, where can people go to find more of what you're working on?

Gannon Nordberg (44m 37s)
So you can find me at

Gannon Nordberg (44m 40s)
I'm creating a growing community where you can learn the fundamentals of using Apple tech, the tech that's in your pocket and on your desk, and use it more comfortably and confidently.

Gannon Nordberg (44m 50s)
And I send a newsletter every two weeks for free, so check it out.

Gannon Nordberg (44m 54s)
You can also find me on social media at

Tom Anderson (44m 58s)
All right, excellent. Yeah, go sign up for that.

Tom Anderson (45m)
And you'll learn some cool things from Gannon as part of his newsletter and tips that he's got to share with everybody.

Tom Anderson (45m 7s)
So I think that wraps this one up.

Tom Anderson (45m 10s)
Gannon, thanks again. Jeff, thanks for running over for the hands-on demo.

Jeff Battersby (45m 11s)
Yeah, yeah, thank you, Gannon.

Tom Anderson (45m 14s)
We appreciate you making the journey on 84.

Jeff Battersby (45m 15s)
Yeah, you're welcome.

Tom Anderson (45m 17s)
No, no. But that will do it for this one.

Tom Anderson (45m 21s)
Thanks, everybody, for being here.

Tom Anderson (45m 22s)
And have a great rest of your day, rest of your night.

Jeff Battersby (45m 25s)
See ya.

Outro Music (45m 27s)
♪ I don't wanna know about your imperfections ♪ ♪ Dude, prefer to leave you on a pedestal ♪ ♪ So I'll improve ♪ ♪ 'Cause if I'm finding out you know more ♪ ♪ That I'm just like you ♪ ♪ That gon' smash my whole world ♪ ♪ Lost in illusion ♪

Welcome Back Gannon
Thank You Bear Notes!
Jeff’s Apple Vision Pro Demo