Tom Anderson (00:06)
This is basic AF

Jeff Battersby (00:09)
What was that, pal? Big cannon!

Tom Anderson (00:13)
Ho ho

ho take take two. This is Basic AF episode ninety five. Show notes for this episode can be found at basicafshow dot com. Hello everybody. Tom Anderson here, joined as always by Jeff Battersby. Hello, Jeff.

Jeff Battersby (00:27)
Hi Tom Anderson.

I think we should keep the original screwed up. yeah, yeah, leave it. Why not? We haven't had an outtake

Tom Anderson (00:32)
I'll leave it. Yeah, I'll leave it. Yeah. Well I posted

Jeff Battersby (00:36)
in a few minutes.

Tom Anderson (00:37)
I posted on threads. It's like it's a rare Thursday night recording, so I think it's got me off a little bit. And so I choked to death on basic AF, so that's good. We're off to a great start. So how have you been, man?

Jeff Battersby (00:42)
Yeah. It is Yep. Yeah, well.

I'm all right. I was the r we're recording on a on a Thursday evening. Well, one, because there were some announcements, so that's kind of fun reason to do it. But the other reason is completely forgot I'm taking a road trip over the weekend. It's like, wait, I can't record.

Tom Anderson (01:07)
I just saw your message.

I was like, wonder if he forgot that. Like

Jeff Battersby (01:10)
You you Yeah, yeah,

totally I wasn't even thinking. It was like, Yeah, I'm gonna be away. So we're

Tom Anderson (01:17)
Yeah, so

Jeff Battersby (01:18)
recording on a Thursday night so I can so I can take care of things later. I worked a double yesterday, I worked till five today, and then I went to I do some work for a friend of mine who has a VRBO and some wild child at that VRBO managed to rip

the the curtain rod out of the shower. And I'm talking crazy ripped. I'm not talking, you know, whoops, I tripped on the I tripped on the the curtain. I think the child wrapped themselves in the curtain and was swinging on it because there was like shards of metal and it was crazy it's like not a not a

Tom Anderson (01:58)
Well he's bored.

Jeff Battersby (01:59)
normal thing. So and that took a little longer than expected. So I did get a little text from you at eight four.

Recording time was supposed to be eight PM. Yo No, this is not. could be I had to get food in me. So I would. No, I'm I'm

Tom Anderson (02:09)
So we're right on schedule, really. I mean this is nothing new. Right, we always talk anyway. Which is okay, 'cause you said you pass out and I like, we definitely don't need that.

Jeff Battersby (02:19)
standing on my own two feet right now, so that's a plus. Almost brought a glass of wine down here, but didn't. Didn't

Tom Anderson (02:21)
Yes, that is a plus. It's been busy at work too. Well that would have been good. We had

students move in this week, so we have handed out, gosh, I don't know, eight hundred something MacBooks, iPads and stuff at this point.

Jeff Battersby (02:34)
You showed me that pile. I was like, whoa. And so what where is that locked?

Tom Anderson (02:41)
I'm not gonna discuss that. That's it. Super secret location, yes.

Jeff Battersby (02:43)
To Vulge. Super secret location. Okay.

I was not asking for specifics, but you know, it was it was more,

Tom Anderson (02:53)
I know. But yeah, it's locked away.

Jeff Battersby (02:54)
you know, are you in a safe somewhere? Is it locked away where

Tom Anderson (02:57)
Yeah, of sorts.

Jeff Battersby (02:58)
somebody can't yes, sort of. It's

Tom Anderson (03:01)
Mm-hmm.

Jeff Battersby (03:01)
in the back of my car. I'm gonna sell you a couple of these. Yeah. I gotta

Tom Anderson (03:05)
I'd be so freaked out with that. Like it's weird sometimes

when we load the van up and we have to take stuff places, you know, and it's like fifty or something in there. I'm like, man, that's still a lot. It's like can we just hurry up and get there? And

Jeff Battersby (03:17)
Yeah.

Now you ha now you know how the Brinkstruck guys feel.

Tom Anderson (03:24)
Yeah, at least they're strapped. I'm not strapped. I'm just driving

along in a little van. It's so

Jeff Battersby (03:29)
Fair Tyred Dur

Thomps on his way to the caliph fair.

Tom Anderson (03:34)
And so

what this means is we're almost to September. And so that means

Jeff Battersby (03:39)
Yeah, it does, doesn't it?

Tom Anderson (03:40)
that we have this week found out that Apple's annual iPhone event, and it's usually an iPhone watch and some other stuff, it's coming up. It's going to be on September 9th, ten A. Pacific. So looking forward to seeing that. Mm-hmm. I think that's because Labor

Jeff Battersby (03:53)
Yeah. A Wednesday? That's a Wednesday, Tom. Yeah, that's weird. Usually a Tuesday.

Tom Anderson (03:59)
Day is Monday, then maybe they want people to travel Tuesday. I'm not sure. But

Jeff Battersby (04:03)
okay well.

Tom Anderson (04:04)
Yeah, so we'll see what happens with the phones. Rumor says no iPhone eighteen until the spring, but the eighteen pro, pro max, and the long rumored foldable iPhone will be coming our way.

Jeff Battersby (04:19)
Yeah, and I think it's more than a rumor. I think it's real. and I'll

Tom Anderson (04:22)
Yeah. It's

Jeff Battersby (04:23)
be interested to see it. don't know if I need it. Probably don't, but interesting interesting

Tom Anderson (04:29)
Mm-hmm.

Jeff Battersby (04:30)
idea to be sure. What's kinda crazy though, Tom, is that for the first time, I think since some IMac a while ago. There we go. I'm being very specific here, Tom. Apple has an

Tom Anderson (04:46)
You've had a long day.

Jeff Battersby (04:47)
I have, and my brains are

you know, where they belong in bed. Apple r released some hardware early. They upgraded a couple of pieces of hardware, which we'll talk about in a second. But most importantly, Tom,

Tom Anderson (05:03)
Mm-hmm.

Jeff Battersby (05:04)
the polishing cloth. There's

Tom Anderson (05:06)
Mm.

Jeff Battersby (05:06)
a new polishing cloth. And I ask right now, I want verification. What w something drop something in the house? You just look like you're you heard a bomb drop.

Tom Anderson (05:17)
No, we

have storms going around. And so I was like, the storm. Okay.

Jeff Battersby (05:21)
Great. So

when you disappear, I'll continue talking.

Tom Anderson (05:25)
Just keep going, yes.

Jeff Battersby (05:26)
I'm right, I will I'll do just that. So there's a new polishing cloth. It's supposed to be better, and it's less money. Imagine that. For once an apple

Tom Anderson (05:34)
Which is shocking.

Jeff Battersby (05:36)
an apple product, ten dollars less than it was before. It was twenty dollars, nineteen technically previously, and now it is nine dollars for the new version of the cloth and that's supposedly

Tom Anderson (05:48)
What a steal.

Jeff Battersby (05:49)
Better. Yeah, well, my question is, will it remove the spittle from my nanodisplay? Because it's a full time job. That's a full time job keeping that stupid thing clean. I like it. Don't get me wrong. I do like the fact that there's no reflection. So I'm ambivalent, I guess I should say. So stupid is maybe a strong word. I do like the thing. And to be fair, you don't really

Tom Anderson (06:15)
Who are you talking

to so much at your computer that you're spitting everywhere is my question.

Jeff Battersby (06:19)
Well you do recall

that I used to teach online Apple certification classes.

Tom Anderson (06:24)
Mm-hmm.

Jeff Battersby (06:25)
So I was talking to those people, Tom. That was that was who. And and then, you know, I talked to myself, to the little man on my head. and he's okay, so anyway,

Tom Anderson (06:34)
I do that too. Mm-hmm.

Jeff Battersby (06:38)
you know, y you don't really notice the spittle when the display is on and, you know, working, but as soon as it goes dark, it's like,

Tom Anderson (06:46)
turns off right.

Jeff Battersby (06:47)
my god

Tom Anderson (06:50)
Yeah, do you have the do

Jeff Battersby (06:50)
So I don't know if this is gonna be any better than that, but

Tom Anderson (06:52)
you have one of those cloths right now? The polishing cloth? Okay. Can't

Jeff Battersby (06:54)
I do. Yeah.

Tom Anderson (06:56)
it probably did it come with the nano texture display? Okay. Got it. See that was stupid. I bought it.

Jeff Battersby (06:58)
Yes, it did. Right. It did not have to buy it. It was not an extra purchase.

good for you. Why did you buy it?

Tom Anderson (07:04)
Yeah. It just sits in

a drill round out. It's it's cloth. I can polish some stuff.

You know.

Jeff Battersby (07:11)
Dude, my mind just went to places that I don't even want to go.

Tom Anderson (07:15)
I'm sure it did. And

never mind that I could use the ten pack of microfiber claws that I bought for like three dollars and they do just as well. But

Jeff Battersby (07:26)
I'm sure they do.

Tom Anderson (07:27)
but they don't have a little apple.

Jeff Battersby (07:29)
No, right. For nineteen dollars. You bought an Apple logo for nineteen dollars.

Tom Anderson (07:33)
I've spent way more than that for an apple logo before, so that's cheap, buddy.

Jeff Battersby (07:36)
Yeah, okay. Fair fair, fair.

Tom Anderson (07:39)
That haven't we all.

Jeff Battersby (07:40)
So that's exciting. new a new cloth. I I don't think I'm in the market, but colored cloth.

Tom Anderson (07:42)
Mm-hmm. Just wait till they introduce colors next year. Yeah, see. John Turnus

will come in and he'll say, Well, you know what we need to make things more vibrant. Let's have some colors for our polishing cloths. Yeah. So they announced

Jeff Battersby (07:53)
Fair. Yeah. I'm all about that.

Tom Anderson (07:57)
more than that. What else did they announce?

Jeff Battersby (08:00)
Tom, there's some hardware. They announced New Mac minis and new Mac Studios, which is kinda cool.

Tom Anderson (08:07)
Yes. And some

new, more expensive prices for those as well. Shocking nobody.

Jeff Battersby (08:12)
Yeah

yeah, right. That is shocking nobody. a hundred dollars more for the base for the base Mac Mini, is that correct? Am I telling the truth?

Tom Anderson (08:24)
Well

Not really.

Jeff Battersby (08:30)
Okay, tell me the truth, Tom.

Tom Anderson (08:32)
Because

Earlier this year, the base was 599 or 499 through education,

Jeff Battersby (08:40)
Correct.

Tom Anderson (08:41)
right? And that was the 16 gig 256 storage. And

Jeff Battersby (08:44)
Yes.

Tom Anderson (08:45)
then they dropped that model, and then the entry-level model became the 512 gig storage, which was 799.

Jeff Battersby (08:52)
Yes. Okay.

Tom Anderson (08:56)
so the base is once again 16256.

Jeff Battersby (09:03)
Lame. Sorry.

Tom Anderson (09:04)
And it's eight ninety nine. So it's a big jump over I mean that's that's a huge jump percentage wise. Yeah. Yeah.

Jeff Battersby (09:06)
So okay. So it is yeah, that actually is way more expensive. It when you when you do the math that way. Okay. Okay.

Yeah, that is a big jump. what do we get for our big jump?

Tom Anderson (09:20)
A discounted polishing cloth.

Jeff Battersby (09:24)
You buy if you

buy a whole bunch of those, you'll make up for the new price increase of the

Tom Anderson (09:29)
Mm-hmm.

Jeff Battersby (09:30)
of the Mac Mini. All right. So yeah, it's by the way, there's a pre order. these will ship when when Mac OS Golden Gate ships. That is when they're when they're ready to go. six models, twelve core CPU, twelve core GPU, up to thirty two gigs of unified memory.

up to two terabytes of storage, three Thunderbolt four and two USB C ports. USB C USB C.

Tom Anderson (09:59)
Mm-hmm.

Jeff Battersby (10:02)
That's the that's the six models and those start at eight ninety nine. And then the five Pro. It's kind of funny 'cause you feel like you're going backwards, right? When you say

Tom Anderson (10:13)
Right. Six is more than

five unless you're talking about a pro.

Jeff Battersby (10:16)
Right. And then five is more than six. It's Apple math. So

Tom Anderson (10:18)
Correct. Yes.

Jeff Battersby (10:22)
up to eighteen core CPU and twenty core GPU, up to sixty four gigabytes of unified memory, up to eight terabytes of storage. same ports. The ports are the same. And that starts at a fat sixteen ninety nine.

Tom Anderson (10:39)
Yeah, I priced one of these

out with like the eight terabytes of storage.

Jeff Battersby (10:43)
Mm-hmm.

Tom Anderson (10:44)
Hmm, yeah, it was a few bucks. It's

Jeff Battersby (10:45)
Was it?

Tom Anderson (10:46)
yeah, I think it was somewhere around six thousand. 'Cause it jumped up a lot, like once you got from like the two terabyte to the eight, 'cause it dropped down to two and I think it went down to twenty five or twenty six hundred, but then bump it up to eight is

Jeff Battersby (11:01)
Really

affordable.

so yeah. and footprint hasn't changed. It's kind of that cool little small

Tom Anderson (11:13)
Right. Yeah, it looks like everything

Jeff Battersby (11:14)
yeah.

Tom Anderson (11:15)
stayed the same physically. Right.

Jeff Battersby (11:17)
Footprint wise. Yeah.

So it it's a it's a nice looking device. I don't you know, the the one that I have, I think we determined 'cause Apple did run a little

A little update earlier in the year, right? There was a wasn't there a little chip update? Not chip, sorry. It was a price update is what there was. Yeah, well the price update, you know, makes you a lot

Tom Anderson (11:41)
It's it's their favorite feature of late, the price update. Mm-hmm.

Jeff Battersby (11:46)
of money. I have an two I have an two with sixteen gigs. that's what I'm working on right here. Of the original Mac mini. So the old style, the one that they've been doing for

Fifteen years now? Is that about right? This particular footprint of the old style before they redesigned it to look like the studio. Yeah, yeah.

Tom Anderson (12:07)
Right before they went to the smaller ones, right? Yeah, it was

gosh. Maybe, yeah. Could be.

Jeff Battersby (12:14)
Maybe little maybe a little less, but somewhere in that in that ten to fifteen year range. and you know, it's that's what powers what I'm doing right now, and it's way more than I need to do what I'm doing now. I don't I don't need anything more than that. But i I I do like this new design much better than I like the old design, which I loved. I I think I've mentioned this before when I talked

Apple certification hardware classes where we took these things apart. These were by far my favorite Max to have students take apart because it was a feat of brilliant and beautiful engineering. The insides of those things were amazing,

Tom Anderson (12:57)
Mm-hmm.

Jeff Battersby (12:58)
really amazing. so I have not seen inside one of the new ones, so I can't I can't speak to that. but

The the design on it is nice. And the fact that it has, you know, a couple of USB C ports in the front and then Thunderbolt ports in the back. It's just

Tom Anderson (13:18)
Mm-hmm.

Jeff Battersby (13:18)
it's a nice setup. It's it's a good looking computer. Supports up to three displays. two to a native resolution of six K. and then the other is up to five. So the

i the the third one if you were to have one, which by the way, three displays. I'm sorry, I could barely handle one. I I had two for a while and one is one is more than I can than I can do.

The five, same thing. Up to three displays though at six K. And two displays of up to eight K. So not not too not too shabby either of these either of these models.

Tom Anderson (14:12)
I

Jeff Battersby (14:13)
yeah, shoot.

Tom Anderson (14:14)
I was just gonna say I jumped over to the Apple site while you were going through some of the specs there and repriced that model out just to see exactly what it was. So I did M5 Pro chip, 18 core CPU, 20 core GPU. So I basically just went through and upgraded everything as far as it can go. 64 gig of memory, eight terabytes of storage. I should go ahead and throw the 10 gig Ethernet in there too, just for fun. And that comes out to

Sixty seven ninety nine.

Jeff Battersby (14:47)
No, that's fine. Pocket change, pal.

Tom Anderson (14:50)
Or five sixty six fifty eight a month for twelve months with your Apple card. You could probably get it a little less than that. If you do the Klarna deal we talked about a few shows ago.

Jeff Battersby (14:57)
Klarna, by the

way, I need to apologize to Klarna. I said the name sounded stupid. it it sounds like you went to IKEA is what it sounds like. 'Cause those guys are you feel you know how Ikea names all their things? Blutvat

Tom Anderson (15:14)
Mm-hmm.

Jeff Battersby (15:15)
or whatever, you know, whatever the name is. That's what Klarna is. They are a a bank from the same lovely country that IKEA is from. So

that's that's it. It's not some made up word. I mean it is in their language, but yeah, it wasn't it wasn't

Tom Anderson (15:32)
Not the way you thought anyway.

Jeff Battersby (15:35)
just some stupid word that somebody made up some marketing, like a pharmaceutical. Yeah. Diek droop. That's the way. Anyway, sorry Tom.

Tom Anderson (15:47)
Well, okay, tell me about that Mac Studio, Jeff.

yes. So those have gone up. We've got a bunch of the Mac minis all over campus. We and actually we may need to rethink strategy a little bit here because we were putting them we were using them for digital signage 'cause they were so cheap. And so we Mm-hmm. Well, we had a

Jeff Battersby (16:08)
Were you using this model or the pre s previous model? Wow.

Tom Anderson (16:12)
few of the previous and then we bought a bunch of these smaller ones.

with the redesign. And so those were fours, but this was all before the price hike. And so it's like, okay, so they went from four ninety nine to now for well, for education it'll be seven ninety nine. But wait, is that what I said? Yeah, seven

Jeff Battersby (16:29)
Yeah.

Tom Anderson (16:29)
ninety nine. so that's quite a bit more, yeah. For

Jeff Battersby (16:33)
It's a lot of money. Yeah. Yeah. Definitely.

Tom Anderson (16:36)
for what we're using for there. But

Jeff Battersby (16:38)
What else would you use?

Tom Anderson (16:40)
Well, before we were using it was some kind of it was a Android box of some sort that it like another digital signage vendor runs their stuff on.

Jeff Battersby (16:53)
Mm-hmm.

Tom Anderson (16:54)
and so we moved everything to Zoom.

Because Zoom does digital signage and we get we have Zoom rooms in our classrooms that connect, you know, different buildings. And if you have that you get unlimited signage boxes or licenses. So we're like, well that's not too bad. Let's let's do that. And it it's actually working out really well. It's a pretty good product. So we'll stick with it, we'll just have to figure out what we want to do. I imagine

Jeff Battersby (17:20)
Gotcha.

Tom Anderson (17:20)
we'll probably just stay with the Mac minis, even though it's a little bit more.

Jeff Battersby (17:25)
Okay.

Tom Anderson (17:25)
We don't

put we've pretty much got them everywhere, so it it'll be more of an issue when it comes time to upgrade some of these, but they'll run for another six or seven years, so we'll deal with that when we get to it. Maybe I'll be retired by then, Jeff. No. No.

Jeff Battersby (17:35)
Okay. You think? Six or seven years, Tom? Yeah.

Let me. I'm working till they plot me in the ground. just saying. Well

Tom Anderson (17:47)
Hopefully no time soon. We have a podcast to do.

Jeff Battersby (17:50)
we do. W I'm promised to you for as long as I'm above ground, Tom.

Tom Anderson (17:55)
Okay, I'll take it.

Jeff Battersby (17:56)
okay. I knew you would. I knew you'd I knew you'd be there. So that's the that's the Mac Minis. Mac Studios,

Which are also expensive. let's look at this little boy right here. Max Studio five, Max five Ultra chips. Those guys get up to thirty-six core CPU, up to eighty core GPU. starting price of twenty five hundred dollars. So how much you said fully maxed out max Mac mini was like six?

Tom Anderson (18:33)
Mm-hmm.

Jeff Battersby (18:34)
Okay. So starting price for a Mac Studio is is twenty four ninety nine.

Tom Anderson (18:41)
All right, we'll keep

running through the the update. I'll price one out and we'll see where we end up.

Jeff Battersby (18:44)
Yeah, yeah.

Okay. Up to 512 unified memory, five twelve gigs of unified memory, up to sixteen terabyte SSD. And then it has up to six Thunderbolt 5 ports. again, footprint on this thing has not changed that much. the starting price has gone up. has gone up as well. Note that these are all M5 Max, M5.

Ultra chips that are available on this particular thing. So there's no M6 that you can get that you can get a Max Studio. So Max Studio is super fast right from the start. I'm looking to see what the original price was on this M3 Ultra Vas. And I don't recall

what the price jump was. Do you do you know, do you r off the top of your head, do you remember what it was?

Tom Anderson (19:43)
Mm I do not.

Jeff Battersby (19:43)
From baseline

model. Yeah. I was never do you you guys have a couple of these at the school, right?

Tom Anderson (19:49)
Mm-hmm. Yeah, they're

over in our music production studio. And I think we've got one in our AI group.

Jeff Battersby (20:00)
Okay, so the the Max Studio U pricing starts at twenty five hundred, which is five hundred more than the original price of the four Max model when it came out. So

Tom Anderson (20:09)
Goes up

a little bit when you spec it out as far as you can go. So here's what we have. Okay,

Jeff Battersby (20:16)
Okay, talk to me, tummy.

Tom Anderson (20:17)
because I know our listeners are going to want to do this. So an M5 Ultra chip. All right. 36 core CPU, 80 core GPU, 256 gig of memory. There's a 512 model coming later in October. So this

Put a little asterisk next to this one. This is only the top end for now. 16 terabyte storage for the low, low price of $18,299.

Jeff Battersby (20:51)
But but

Tom Anderson (20:54)
But fifteen

twenty four a month if you use your Apple card. But to go back to Klarna, okay, you can lease this $398 a month for thirty six months.

Jeff Battersby (21:07)
Yeah. And then you can give it right back.

Tom Anderson (21:10)
Or you can keep it, either way.

Mm-hmm.

Jeff Battersby (21:15)
Okay. that's a lot of money. But and I have no need for anything.

Tom Anderson (21:16)
So if that's a lot of money, yeah. And I th you know, if you're spending that much money,

you actually need this and it's going to do things for you going to recoup it unless you're just like a super nerd doing like AI stuff because you've got cash to burn or boar or poor financial skills either way. sometimes I do both. but what

Jeff Battersby (21:31)
Or both.

Tom Anderson (21:36)
was interesting is the jump from ninety six gig of memory up to two fifty six is a four thousand dollar swing.

So I think we could probably do some math from there and say, Hm, okay, so we're gonna be north of twenty thousand for the five twelve gig memory model when it comes out in October.

Jeff Battersby (21:59)
man.

Tom Anderson (21:59)
So probably twenty four, maybe.

Jeff Battersby (22:03)
I I

just need to get a couple of Right? Just a couple.

Tom Anderson (22:07)
Mm-hmm.

Jeff Battersby (22:08)
That's it. And

Tom Anderson (22:10)
Well, and you can pair

these you daisy chain these together for the AI stuff. So a hundred grand you'd be you'd be cooking, Jeff. You'd never have to

Jeff Battersby (22:13)
Yeah. But can't you can y yeah, I'd have my own little

Tom Anderson (22:19)
go out to like the cloud for your AI stuff. You do so much. This makes perfect financial sense for you. Hmm.

Jeff Battersby (22:24)
I know. It d it does, right. It it costs more than my first house.

Tom Anderson (22:32)
Well that's twenty twenty six, you can't buy a house for that now. You can buy an AI farm. Great.

Jeff Battersby (22:33)
That's no, it's true. Great. Which maybe

will burn down my house. Okay. so and by the way, this is the first time I knew I saw this somewhere. this is the first time Apple has announced any new Macs in August since the twenty seven inch IMAC in twenty twenty. So

Tom Anderson (23:00)
Okay.

Jeff Battersby (23:01)
it's been

Been a minute. I knew I read that somewhere. That's where I read it. yeah, so you know, it's interesting hardware. If you were in the market for a Mac mini, you just wound up having to pay more

Tom Anderson (23:15)
Mm-hmm.

Jeff Battersby (23:16)
for for something juicy. Although, you know what, it may mean that the older version is available for less somewhere if you're if you're a good shopper. Yeah. You know.

Tom Anderson (23:23)
Might be able to pick some up. Yeah. Like Amazon usually

will have some. Best buy will clear some out. but I did see that some people had ordered the four and they've been waiting because they've been kind of short supply. And

Jeff Battersby (23:37)
Uhhuh.

Tom Anderson (23:37)
now the six is out and Apple's upgraded them to the six but on at the original price. So that was nice.

Jeff Battersby (23:43)
okay. That's great. I like that. Yeah, that is. I I like that better

Tom Anderson (23:44)
That's fair. Yep, like that. That's pretty good.

Jeff Battersby (23:47)
actually.

Tom Anderson (23:48)
Yeah. I should have done that. Mm-hmm. Well, you know what? We

Jeff Battersby (23:50)
Mm-hmm. I'm criminal.

Tom Anderson (23:53)
at some point we'd talked about I was thinking maybe getting a Mac Studio at some point.

Jeff Battersby (23:57)
Mm-hmm.

Tom Anderson (23:58)
And I'm like, yeah, I don't know about that. just a half. I can put

Jeff Battersby (24:01)
What would you use that for, Tom? Honestly. Right, okay. Okay.

Tom Anderson (24:06)
more well, because I think at the time when I said that, the Mac mini

I think capped out at maybe four terabytes of storage or something like that. And I was looking at something to like store all of our iCloud backups and so forth and so on. So I'd always have like a big local copy. my Mac Mini now only has one one terabyte drive. and so I thought well, I could do that and that would last me, you know, seven or eight years probably. But

Jeff Battersby (24:36)
Yeah, how how much of that?

Tom Anderson (24:36)
Now with the upgrades

costing so much, because before the upgrades were I mean, they were always Apple tax, right? You were always gonna pay more, but now they're they're really jump.

Jeff Battersby (24:44)
Scrapple tags.

Tom Anderson (24:45)
And I was like, oof. So yeah,

Jeff Battersby (24:48)
Yeah.

Tom Anderson (24:49)
probably not. Friend of mine at work is getting one though. Mac Studio. No,

Jeff Battersby (24:52)
for work or

Tom Anderson (24:54)
for I think he's gonna do some AI stuff, some VR stuff.

Jeff Battersby (25:00)
Okay.

Tom Anderson (25:01)
that's what he got his degree in. So he asked me today, he's like, Hey, which one of these do you think I should get?

I was like, well, I'd probably go that direction. He goes, okay, I've been saving up for a long time. I think I'm going to do it. I was like, okay, good for you.

Jeff Battersby (25:13)
That's really interesting. yeah, I'm looking to see right now. I mean, I don't really do much on this Mac Mini and I don't have any you know, I d I do what we're doing right now. I record a podcast on it. which by no means justifies the purchase of anything new down here. This is well more than what this needs. As some of you know, I traded in my well, I sold my MacBook Pro.

and got a new MacBook Air that I'm I love. It's great. that I really don't need a pro for anything that I do. And i that I don't think I'm using half the disk space on it either and that has a terabyte. this has a terabyte and I'm using less than half of it. And most of that is messages.

Tom Anderson (26:12)
You're welcome.

Jeff Battersby (26:13)
Yeah. I I'm embarrassed to say even how much how much space messages uses. It's videos. It's videos that I've sent to people. Two hundred and twenty three gigs in messages. I was

Tom Anderson (26:25)
Well, you were sending out a lot of those back last fall.

Jeff Battersby (26:28)
right. When I was recovering from my stroke once a week I was sending it out to everybody and you know, it's I didn't wanna group chat the whole universe.

Tom Anderson (26:41)
Mm-hmm.

Jeff Battersby (26:42)
So I did send out several versions of it, and they were all individual. So that is a lot of it. By the way, I'm getting ready to put together a a video. I'm coming up on the twelfth of October on a year since I had this stroke, which is crazy.

Tom Anderson (26:58)
Crazy.

Jeff Battersby (26:58)
Yeah, I know, it's nuts. but I am planning on putting together

a montage of the Hey how are you is at the every sing at the beginning

Tom Anderson (27:08)
nice.

Jeff Battersby (27:09)
of those and then kinda roll it into a a now. It'll be a little longer and probably just be a link. But yeah, I wanna 'cause it I think those videos were a really good indicator of how I was progressing. You

Tom Anderson (27:23)
Mm-hmm.

Jeff Battersby (27:23)
know, it was it's pretty interesting. So I was looking at them the other day and I was like, Wow, that's pretty impressive. For real.

Tom Anderson (27:31)
Yeah, especially with the voice changes and everything and Yeah.

Jeff Battersby (27:35)
Yeah. And you know, my Drup eye and all that stuff. So yeah, anyway. that's a real side note, but yeah. Two two

Tom Anderson (27:44)
Ha ha.

Jeff Battersby (27:45)
two hundred and twenty three gigs of storage being used in in messages. So yeah. That's me, babe.

Tom Anderson (27:54)
Yep. So

Jeff Battersby (27:57)
yeah. So what? So what, Tom?

Tom Anderson (27:59)
No, I was just gonna say

nobody likes the price increases, but it's the way of the world right now, especially with with tech and RAM

Jeff Battersby (28:05)
Tariffs.

Tom Anderson (28:06)
and storage and and that sort of stuff. And

Jeff Battersby (28:10)
Yeah.

Tom Anderson (28:10)
who knows for how much longer if it may never who knows. that's where we are today, which you know, we talked a little bit about the Apple event that's coming up in you know, a little over a week. Be interesting to see there where the iPhone prices shake out. 'Cause we're gonna see similar,

Jeff Battersby (28:25)
Yeah, I think they're gonna be

Tom Anderson (28:27)
I think, not

I wonder will they be more aggressive with the phones to try to, you know, keep the prices down a little bit, maybe the Macs a little more, the phones a little less, 'cause obviously the iPhone's the biggest product they have. and so maybe they'll s sacrifice a little here to juice sales over there. I d just don't know. We'll find out. But I'd say prepare for sticker

Jeff Battersby (28:52)
Yeah. It'll be interesting.

Tom Anderson (28:53)
shock for the foldable because that's already going to be I mean, even if they're

We weren't in this period of time where the component prices are through the roof. It would ar it would still be expensive just because it's more screens, it's the newer thing, it's the premium product, so forth and so on. So that will be interesting to see. I think most people are expecting two thousand to twenty five hundred and then on up depending on what storage tier you want. So I could see it creeping over three grand probably.

Jeff Battersby (29:23)
Can you imagine?

for a phone. I mean it's more than a phone. It's now gonna be an iPad mini and a phone, but

Tom Anderson (29:32)
Right. But yeah, still a lot. A lot, a lot, a

lot. And then like what's gonna happen with the iPhone eighteen Pro and Pro Max, which by the way, if I'm able to resist the foldable, which which I think I will,

Jeff Battersby (29:44)
Okay.

Tom Anderson (29:49)
I'm going to more than likely downsize my phone back to just the Pro, not the Pro

Jeff Battersby (29:53)
Mm-hmm.

Tom Anderson (29:54)
Max. Yeah, get back to that. You know why? 'Cause the

Jeff Battersby (29:56)
Yeah.

Tom Anderson (29:56)
other day I saw the

Posted on threads about this, the iPhone ten is now in the obsolete status.

Jeff Battersby (30:07)
Is it really?

Tom Anderson (30:07)
Mm-hmm. And so I dusted it off and turned it on and I was playing with it like and I was like, Man, this is such a great size. Like, man, this feels great. and so it's kind of got me thinking, maybe I'll do that. If w if and when

Jeff Battersby (30:20)
Yeah, I don't like

Tom Anderson (30:21)
I upgrade, but

Jeff Battersby (30:23)
yeah, I I and I think I said this in the last episode that I don't need a I don't need the Max anymore because of the

Tom Anderson (30:29)
Right. Yeah. I mean once they put

the same cameras on both pro models, it kind of took away the

Jeff Battersby (30:34)
Okay.

Tom Anderson (30:34)
need for the max for a lot of people who were only doing it to get the best cameras. Which was us. Right.

Jeff Battersby (30:38)
Correct. That and that is the reason I got that right.

and I am yeah, I mean still doing beta, so you know, this is not necessarily a true test, but my battery life sucks now too. I mean yours has and yours is a newer phone than mine.

Tom Anderson (30:55)
It sucked on it was great on

eighteen. When it eighteen? What gosh, I'm so old, I can't remember the numbers now. You know, they screwed me up when they went from eighteen to twenty six. I'm like, what year was that? But I feel like

when I first got the phone, the battery life was great. And I can't remember if it shipped with eighteen or twenty six yeah, seven yeah, last year it was seventeen, so that was the twenty-six, iOS twenty-six. So it shipped with iOS eighteen and it was great on that, and when it went to twenty-six is when it fell apart.

Jeff Battersby (31:26)
It's really weird.

Tom Anderson (31:27)
And

still is. And I've reset it, I've done all the things and I'm just done fooling with it. And it's maybe a little bit better.

Jeff Battersby (31:32)
And if you look at your battery and the

settings, it says everything's A okay.

Tom Anderson (31:37)
Mm-hmm. Battery health's good. Usage is, you know, capacity is like ninety-four percent, something like that. But it's like, you've got an hour and twenty four minutes of on screen time today. And batteries at thirty percent. I'm like, great. That's good. Perfect. Now it doesn't like I say, it doesn't bother. It's annoying just because it shouldn't be doing that. But like I couldn't imagine like if I relied on it on the road eight hours a day, like if I was doing sales or something like that. And I mean it'd be

keeping it plugged in in the car all the time. But yeah, that's been annoying. but otherwise phone's been good. I mean screen's nice, the cameras are nice. But

Jeff Battersby (32:18)
Yeah.

Tom Anderson (32:19)
Battery's been a thing and I'm not sure really why. I see other people complain about it too, so I don't think it's just me. but did get a little bit better on the twenty seven beta. So maybe once we're out of betas it'll be even a little bit better from there. And and then are you upgrading

Jeff Battersby (32:31)
Okay. Yeah, mine's my phone stinks right now on the betas, but that's

Tom Anderson (32:35)
this year? Do you think maybe depending?

Jeff Battersby (32:39)
not sure yet. Have to see what's on offer because I'm not, like I said, the one that I'm on right now I'm happy with. But it's you know, there's nothing wrong with it. camera's great. And I I think I've mentioned been using halide. Actually this is the first time I've really been using halide as my primary camera rather than Apple's

Tom Anderson (33:01)
Mm-hmm.

Jeff Battersby (33:01)
and that's largely because of they did our huge redesign.

And they have f f what they call film types now, which I I kinda need to dig in a little deeper and see what the difference is between film type and the i you know, a filter. You know.

Tom Anderson (33:21)
Right.

Jeff Battersby (33:21)
I I think it's just a filter. they're not calling it that, but it seems to be, you know, that's the idea. But some of the film types that they've done, including their

monochrome, they're black and white. Their black and white is brilliant right out of the box. Like feels like you're using black and white film. And then they have a couple of different ones that that are pretty amazing, but one that I tend to use more than the other and I cannot I'd have to go to Haylight site to see to see what the name of it is. But I will tell you what it takes and what it does right out of the box.

is amazing. Truly amazing. The one that I use is called

Let's see if they

That information, manual mode, focal assist. Da da da da da da da da. Build your own Raws, okay?

Hot Girl Picture. Okay. I can't remember what the one is that I was using, but it all that to say it is it is super sharp, the colors on it, like the blues of the sky and the the earth tones in it are just amazing. so I am a hundred percent in on this. It really is. It

Tom Anderson (34:54)
Nice.

Jeff Battersby (34:55)
d it's this is the first time

I tried for a long time to make halide my primary camera and now it has become unless I wanna do something like a you know, a live picture, it has it it is amazing. so

Yeah. See what this does if I go here, it's not gonna let me look at it because it's not made for this computer.

Tom Anderson (35:25)
And you're you're fift fifteen pro Max, right?

Jeff Battersby (35:28)
Fifteen Pro Max.

Tom Anderson (35:31)
So what do you have there? We've got the point five, the one, the two, and a five. Is it a five ever? Okay. Yeah, that's what I have too.

Jeff Battersby (35:36)
Yeah. Yep. And then and

then you have the the d there are like three other focal lengths that you can use as well that are

Tom Anderson (35:46)
Right. And

then the seventeen pro they added they dumped the five and went with the eight. So you get point five one two four and then eight X. You know, we were talking about ris you know, resisting the the phoneable, and that's probably a a good reason that I would well, money is a very good reason why I why I would, but

Jeff Battersby (36:09)
Mm-hmm.

Tom Anderson (36:10)
The the camera thing, yeah, I'm curious to see where they end up on that because I like the five X. And you know, we've talked with Chris Freitag and Gandon Nordberg about

Jeff Battersby (36:20)
Yes.

Tom Anderson (36:20)
the iPhone Air, right, which has the one and two.

Jeff Battersby (36:22)
Yeah. Mm-hmm.

Tom Anderson (36:26)
but the the five I like, so I'm thinking while the eight I would like too, because sometimes even the five is just a little short from trying to get things off in the distance. And so the camera would be as

'Cause I feel like if you buy that first generation Ultra you're gonna get, you know, say that's the one and the two. Maybe they'll squeeze a point five on there, but you know, like the Ultra Two, they're gonna be like, we added a four X or something like that and then you're gonna be

Jeff Battersby (36:51)
Right.

Tom Anderson (36:52)
kinda pissy it. Be I knew I should've waited Yeah. So

Jeff Battersby (36:56)
Course. Always the case. Next

year's always better.

Tom Anderson (37:00)
And I I do

use those different lenses all the time. So it's like

Jeff Battersby (37:07)
Same. I do.

Tom Anderson (37:08)
Feels like it'd be a step back plus. Touch ID is rumored. Like no face ID and I just don't want to go back to touch ID. Like, is it the end of the

Jeff Battersby (37:17)
Unless it's under the screen.

Tom Anderson (37:19)
world? No. Would I d like if somebody gave me one, would I use it every day and be like, Man, this is the sweetest thing ever? Of course I would. Right. But

Jeff Battersby (37:23)
Yeah. Yeah. Right. Right.

Tom Anderson (37:26)
I've gotten so used to face ID. But I know there are people who feel the opposite, like they've never liked face ID and they've always preferred touch ID. So

Jeff Battersby (37:35)
Well, and then there are people like my mom who's a you know, she's a nurse. and she has washed her fingertips. Like the she not fingertips off, but she like i touch ID does not work for her at all.

Tom Anderson (37:52)
Mm-hmm.

Jeff Battersby (37:53)
You know, she puts her thumb on it and it goes No fingerprints. Yeah.

Tom Anderson (37:58)
Like, sorry, can't help ya.

Jeff Battersby (38:00)
Yeah, so i I'm gonna get her to do some, you know, massive bank robbery or something for me. But it other than that, you know, that's touch ID's not gonna work not gonna work for her. So yeah, face ID's kind of the ticket. I l like it too. I prefer it. although it it it used to

My face must be funny post stroke. It used to have no problem unlocking. Like if I wanted to listen to a podcast when I in the middle of the night, you know, the light from the screen hitting my face

Tom Anderson (38:33)
Mm. Mm-hmm.

Jeff Battersby (38:34)
was enough to make it unlock and now it's like put in your passcode So something about my dead sleep face is

Tom Anderson (38:44)
Maybe go in and do the setup again, rescan it, see if he makes it any better.

Jeff Battersby (38:48)
there you go. That's a good idea.

Tom Anderson (38:50)
Or maybe he's just like, Hmm, you can punch the numbers in. Tired of him.

Jeff Battersby (38:55)
Yeah, exactly. One last no no. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The the that event is September ninth, correct. And we'll

Tom Anderson (38:56)
Yep. All So that event is September ninth. Go ahead, sorry. And we'll have a recap

and lament the price increases and whether or not we're upgrading and all that good stuff.

Jeff Battersby (39:10)
Yeah, very exciting. We might be recording again on a Thursday night, Tom.

Tom Anderson (39:13)
We could. Yeah. We'll have to see. Maybe we get a a guest or two to come on with us.

Jeff Battersby (39:17)
Yeah, I think that'd be a good idea. I have one final question for you, Tom, before we wrap it up for the night, 'cause you

Tom Anderson (39:22)
Okay.

Jeff Battersby (39:23)
we kinda we've kinda hit everything. two weeks ago you talked about your notebook game. How's it going?

Tom Anderson (39:30)
It is going well. still using the notebooks every day.

Jeff Battersby (39:35)
Okay.

Tom Anderson (39:35)
the I sent you a picture of it, posted it on Threads too. But the habit tracker has stuck. I really like it. like

Jeff Battersby (39:41)
Yeah. Okay.

Tom Anderson (39:44)
being able to see like the history kind of just with those two pages spread in the little field

Jeff Battersby (39:50)
Yeah.

Tom Anderson (39:50)
notes notebook. It's kind nice. so the first two weeks of that is done. I've got September of the first two weeks already drawn out and ready to go.

Jeff Battersby (39:58)
Okay.

Tom Anderson (39:59)
and so I do fill that out every day. each day I work, I've got my work notebook on the desk. You know, and what I usually do there is I still I'm doing the weekly plan and so I'll go and I'll say, okay, the biggest thing I need to try to do this week is this. And then for the Monday through Friday, I'll pick like the one thing that I want to work on. I don't always hit it that day, but I just slide it down to the next day and just get it done for the week. the one at home

I still have I have that same system, but I don't put as much in it. It's mostly the habit tracker that I'm putting in there and some random

Jeff Battersby (40:33)
Mm-hmm.

Tom Anderson (40:33)
thoughts. And I started putting like, you know, a quote of the week in there from a book or a podcast or something that I was listening to.

Jeff Battersby (40:40)
yeah.

Tom Anderson (40:41)
just to kind of reinforce some of that there. I got some new notebooks this week. They came in. I think I told you I ordered those during the twenty five percent off. I think I said that last episode too. I can't remember, but

Jeff Battersby (40:50)
Mm mm. Yes, you did. Yeah, you said you

ordered them.

Tom Anderson (40:53)
They

were a little slower coming in. I guess they had a lot of business and so it just took a little while to get here. But those showed up, look great. So they are in the queue

Jeff Battersby (41:00)
Good.

Tom Anderson (41:01)
and just waiting. my oldest son's birthday was in the middle of August, and so we had a a birthday get together dinner this past weekend, and I gave him the Lochby folio journal. No, field folio, A five.

Jeff Battersby (41:18)
Mm-hmm. Yep.

Tom Anderson (41:21)
I've got the pocket journal.

He sent me a picture today. He's got a couple of notebooks in there and a bunch of colorful pens,

Jeff Battersby (41:27)
Nice.

Tom Anderson (41:28)
and he's starting to dig into his. Seems to really like it. So that seems to have gone well. I told you

Jeff Battersby (41:33)
Excellent.

Tom Anderson (41:34)
I was considering picking up one of those, but I was going to wait. I did not wait, and I have picked it up. So now I've got a bigger notebook

Jeff Battersby (41:39)
Ha ha ha ha you're a sucker, man. You're so funny.

Tom Anderson (41:46)
that's going to be used for

Jeff Battersby (41:48)
Yeah.

Tom Anderson (41:49)
some stuff that I'm working on, just like ideas that I'm

thinking about and stuff that I want

Jeff Battersby (41:53)
Okay.

Tom Anderson (41:54)
to dig into. I've decided like as I read a book, I'm gonna take like so one of the things on my habit tracker is to read 10 pages each day. And so then

Jeff Battersby (42:03)
Okay, that's nice.

Tom Anderson (42:05)
what I want to do is take like those 10 pages and then kind of just you know write a sentence or three about what I read

Jeff Battersby (42:11)
Nice.

Tom Anderson (42:11)
just to kind of reinforce it. So we'll see if I stick to that. I haven't started that yet. I've been reading but I haven't started writing things down just yet.

Jeff Battersby (42:17)
Joe Moyer would be so proud of you.

Tom Anderson (42:19)
He is. I sent him all the pictures and he's like he told me the other

day in the group chat he's starting to see these ads from Lockby show up in his feed. And he said he he he thinks they've sent

Jeff Battersby (42:27)
Ha ha.

Tom Anderson (42:30)
me from the future to get him to buy something. So I was like, Do it, Joe. Do it. So we'll

Jeff Battersby (42:33)
That's so funny. Yeah, that's hilarious.

Tom Anderson (42:38)
see.

Jeff Battersby (42:39)
Love it. Yeah, I like the the Lockby I got the I got it's a field size one too. I can't remember which one I got. Don't care. Yeah, I really I care so little about names and I just like using stuff. It's like

Tom Anderson (42:49)
Yeah.

Jeff Battersby (42:54)
Fred, Fred, it's Fred. That's what it is.

Tom Anderson (42:56)
Yeah, I think you've got

the pocket folio maybe. It's got the clasp on it, right? Not the zipper.

Jeff Battersby (42:59)
I do. It has a

clasp on it and I could fit two notebooks in it. It has it has two, but it has interior pencil, you know, place for so I got you know, two highlighters and a pencil in there, you know, a mechanical pencil, which I'm a freak for mechanical pencils, although I've settled on one that i is my favorite. So anyway we could talk about pencils and pens on another day 'cause yeah.

Tom Anderson (43:26)
Yeah, we'll get Joe to come back on. He was talking about pens

the other day, so we'll we'll revisit it. Yeah. Yeah.

Jeff Battersby (43:29)
Was he? All right, yeah, let's get Joe back on. I'd like that.

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Tom Anderson (44:58)
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Yeah. If Randall Martin designed for for all your design needs. Tom, we can find you where.

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Jeff Battersby (45:23)
Alright, that's it. Tommy, good to see you, buddy.

Tom Anderson (45:26)
You too.

Jeff Battersby (45:27)
Sorry I was late.

Tom Anderson (45:29)
That's okay. You're worth it.

Jeff Battersby (45:31)
It's not your girlfriend saying that though, so that's okay.

Tom Anderson (45:33)
Yeah. That's even worse. So anyway, thank you guys for hanging out with us each episode. We do really appreciate it. and we will talk to you again in a couple of weeks. Until then, have a great rest of your day or your night.

Jeff Battersby (45:48)
See ya.